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Postby Cosara » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:29 pm

Liriena wrote:
Cosara wrote:Exactly!


Which is why we are lucky fetuses are not human beings.

Science disagrees.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:30 pm

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Which is why we are lucky fetuses are not human beings.

Science disagrees.


Maybe I should have been more accurate: fetuses are not PEOPLE. They are lumps of parasitic cells that may or may not become actual PEOPLE somewhere in the future.
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Postby Cosara » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:36 pm

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Cosara wrote:Science disagrees.


Maybe I should have been more accurate: fetuses are not PEOPLE. They are lumps of parasitic cells that may or may not become actual PEOPLE somewhere in the future.

Thge fact is that when the sperm meets the ovum, the two combine and become a living organism, which is a human child in it's earliest state of development.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:37 pm

Cosara wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Maybe I should have been more accurate: fetuses are not PEOPLE. They are lumps of parasitic cells that may or may not become actual PEOPLE somewhere in the future.

Thge fact is that when the sperm meets the ovum, the two combine and become a living organism, which is a human child in it's earliest state of development.


So?

If you think that is the measure of life, then when do we start prosecuting miscarriages?
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Postby Condunum » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:38 pm

Cosara wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Maybe I should have been more accurate: fetuses are not PEOPLE. They are lumps of parasitic cells that may or may not become actual PEOPLE somewhere in the future.

Thge fact is that when the sperm meets the ovum, the two combine and become a living organism, which is a human child in it's earliest state of development.

Being human doesn't matter for anything. It's not a person. Ergo, it has no rights.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:38 pm

Liriena wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:They are necessary for the continuation of the species? And they don't exactly go out of their way to kill you, like others do.


By that logic, the state should force everyone to reproduce, regardless of whether they want to have children at that time or any other time, and regardless of their sexual orientation, or mental or physical health.

And by your logic I should be able to shoot anybody who bugs me, as they harm my mental health.

Hathradic States wrote:It's about respect to life, just like how I'm not going to fucking plug somebody because they inconvenience me. Now, if the fetus threatens the mothers life, or she was raped, then she should be allowed to.


"Respect to life" is a very vague statement. Taking into account how debatable the humanity (let alone the personhood) of a fetus is, your "respect to life" could encompass all living creatures, including cattle, crops and vermin.

Fine then. Respect to human life.

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Postby Silent Majority » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:40 pm

Cosara wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Maybe I should have been more accurate: fetuses are not PEOPLE. They are lumps of parasitic cells that may or may not become actual PEOPLE somewhere in the future.

Thge fact is that when the sperm meets the ovum, the two combine and become a living organism, which is a human child in it's earliest state of development.


Just because something is genetically human doesn't mean it's sentient or sapient
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:47 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Liriena wrote:
By that logic, the state should force everyone to reproduce, regardless of whether they want to have children at that time or any other time, and regardless of their sexual orientation, or mental or physical health.

And by your logic I should be able to shoot anybody who bugs me, as they harm my mental health.


:blink:


"Respect to life" is a very vague statement. Taking into account how debatable the humanity (let alone the personhood) of a fetus is, your "respect to life" could encompass all living creatures, including cattle, crops and vermin.

Fine then. Respect to human life.


Ok. You willing to adopt any of these unwanted children?
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:And by your logic I should be able to shoot anybody who bugs me, as they harm my mental health.


:blink:

You really expect me to stay serious?

Fine then. Respect to human life.


Ok. You willing to adopt any of these unwanted children?

If I could. Hard to adopt someone when you are looking towards shipping out soon, though.

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Postby Qeristan » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:54 pm

Good for Kansas

Keep making orphans and mothers that can't support themselves or their child.

Go Kansas!

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:57 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
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You really expect me to stay serious?


Ok. You willing to adopt any of these unwanted children?

If I could. Hard to adopt someone when you are looking towards shipping out soon, though.


Well? Every time I hear "respect life" next to nobody steps up for adoption. Everybody want's to protect the "unborn" but after they are born; nobody cares.

As I have stated in the past. When I see the moral defenders of life empty out the orphanages and take all kids out of the system; then I will consider changing sides.

It won't happen in my lifetime......
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Postby Condunum » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:01 pm

Qeristan wrote:Good for Kansas

Keep making orphans and mothers that can't support themselves or their child.

Go Kansas!

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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:03 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:You really expect me to stay serious?


If I could. Hard to adopt someone when you are looking towards shipping out soon, though.


Well? Every time I hear "respect life" next to nobody steps up for adoption. Everybody want's to protect the "unborn" but after they are born; nobody cares.

As I have stated in the past. When I see the moral defenders of life empty out the orphanages and take all kids out of the system; then I will consider changing sides.

It won't happen in my lifetime......

I'm just going to kill for their freedom. :D My respect for human life goes away when said human life is shooting at me.

In seriousness, I would much prefer those who get pregnant, and those who father the children, do their responsibility. Never gonna fucking happen.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:03 pm

Hathradic States wrote:Fine then. Respect to human life.

oooh this is a fun one to get alcoholic poisoning. Whenever someone posts this, search their previous posts for the word "kill", "killing", "murder", etc. to see if they advocate any of that.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:06 pm

Norstal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Fine then. Respect to human life.

oooh this is a fun one to get alcoholic poisoning. Whenever someone posts this, search their previous posts for the word "kill", "killing", "murder", etc. to see if they advocate any of that.

Dude, it's me. Honestly, do you even know when I am serious or joking anymore?

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Postby GarryOwen » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:09 pm

Good.

Only 49 more states to go! :)

oops!
"Kansas will become the eighth state declaring that life begins at fertilization"

Only 42 more states to go! :)


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Its pretty obvious that I dont care what you people think or say about me. Doesnt change the truth about unique DNA. :)
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:10 pm

GarryOwen wrote:Good.

Only 49 more states to go! :)

*looks at post*

*looks at your post count*

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:10 pm

GarryOwen wrote:Good.

Only 49 more states to go! :)

Only one needs to change, actually.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:11 pm

If human rights apply to a blastocyst, they also apply to lung cancer. STOP THE MURDER! END MEDICINE NOW!
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Postby Norstal » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:15 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Norstal wrote:oooh this is a fun one to get alcoholic poisoning. Whenever someone posts this, search their previous posts for the word "kill", "killing", "murder", etc. to see if they advocate any of that.

Dude, it's me. Honestly, do you even know when I am serious or joking anymore?

So you joke about life? Some respect that is.
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Postby Hathradic States » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:16 pm

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Hathradic States wrote:Dude, it's me. Honestly, do you even know when I am serious or joking anymore?

So you joke about life? Some respect that is.

I hate both sides of this argument with a passion.

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Postby New Chalcedon » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:26 pm

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Cosara wrote:Thge fact is that when the sperm meets the ovum, the two combine and become a living organism, which is a human child in it's earliest state of development.


So?

If you think that is the measure of life, then when do we start prosecuting miscarriages?


Bugger miscarriages - when do we start prosecuting the use of the morning-after pill? By Cosara's inane "logic", that's murder too - the deliberate denial of survival. And unlike when a corporation does it, it's personal.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:31 pm

It's funny to me how the only people "pro lifers" want to persecute for "taking life" are women. Why don't they march on DC and demand the arrest of George W. Bush? Why didn't they want to put Ronald Reagan on trial? Even Barack Obama has presided over more deaths than I can count. Wal Mart and Exxon/Mobil and Apple and Hanes are among organizations in America with blood on their hands. Where's the outrage for all the people they kill? Why is all your anger on American women instead of the real killers?
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Postby Alowwvia » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:35 pm

I still fail to see why we should go the the trouble of protecting non-people.

Before you are born, you aren't sapient. You have no interaction with the outside world. There is no thought process in your brain besides biological processing because you literally have no mind to speak of.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:42 pm

New England and The Maritimes wrote:If human rights apply to a blastocyst, they also apply to lung cancer. STOP THE MURDER! END MEDICINE NOW!

Nice, strawman.

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