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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:07 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:How is a government claiming only one religion is true a celebration of all ideas? I'm a staunch Christian and am totally not getting this.

interfaith is the keyword...INTERFAITH including atheists and agnostics.

An interfaith state church? What?
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Postby New Belhavia » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:07 pm

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...uh, no. That's not funny.

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Postby Divair » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:How is a government claiming only one religion is true a celebration of all ideas? I'm a staunch Christian and am totally not getting this.

interfaith is the keyword...INTERFAITH including atheists and agnostics.

Nobody wants your interfaith, nor would a state religion mean that. Stop hating on the Constitution.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:How is a government claiming only one religion is true a celebration of all ideas? I'm a staunch Christian and am totally not getting this.

interfaith is the keyword...INTERFAITH including atheists and agnostics.

Agnostics don't have faith. They're like allergic to that shit.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:That actually makes no sense at all.

Make America interfaith including Atheists and Agnostics, and you got yourself a celebratory nation rather than a tolerant one.

Secular > interfaith
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08 pm

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Vazdania wrote:Make America interfaith including Atheists and Agnostics, and you got yourself a celebratory nation rather than a tolerant one.


Making a state/national religion would not be interfaith.

:P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion
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Postby Surfistan » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:08 pm

Norway also has universal healthcare, something wich cerain members within the religious right would find quite icky.

And, why choose Christianity as state religion, why not, say, New Age, Rastafari, Hellenism, Zoroastrianism, Cult of the Supreme Being, Native American Church, Cult of Reason, Reaganism, Flying Teapot-ism, and so on?

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Surfistan wrote:Norway also has universal healthcare, something wich cerain members within the religious right would find quite icky.

And, why choose Christianity as state religion, why not, say, New Age, Rastafari, Hellenism, Zoroastrianism, Cult of the Supreme Being, Native American Church, Cult of Reason, Reaganism, Flying Teapot-ism, and so on?

Answer=interfaith.
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Postby Divair » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Making a state/national religion would not be interfaith.

:P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion

So secularism will be the state religion? :palm:

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

New Belhavia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Shhh, shhh… go back to II, NB, it's nicer there… much prettier.

International Incidents is the Elitist Country Club of NS, General is the Ghetto.


I know, I know...I broke my cardinal rule...but that comment so annoyed me, Pruss...you have no idea. As an American Politics specialist, I was irritated.

Yep. Everyone gets drawn in eventually. Frankly, I'm surprised you aren't a regular by now.

But just go back to stalking, or you might get your feelings hurt. ;)
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Postby Imsogone » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vazdania wrote:interfaith is the keyword...INTERFAITH including atheists and agnostics.

An interfaith state church? What?


Unless he wants to make the Universalist Unitarian Church the state church, it ain't gonna fly.
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Postby Faolinn » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

This country is fond of so very many stupid things, but this I highly doubt.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Surfistan wrote:Norway also has universal healthcare, something wich cerain members within the religious right would find quite icky.

And, why choose Christianity as state religion, why not, say, New Age, Rastafari, Hellenism, Zoroastrianism, Cult of the Supreme Being, Native American Church, Cult of Reason, Reaganism, Flying Teapot-ism, and so on?

Why do you need all those when you have Jesus?
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Divair wrote:
Vazdania wrote::P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion

So secularism will be the state religion? :palm:

Secularism and Interfaith while similar are different.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Making a state/national religion would not be interfaith.

:P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Menassa wrote:
Surfistan wrote:Norway also has universal healthcare, something wich cerain members within the religious right would find quite icky.

And, why choose Christianity as state religion, why not, say, New Age, Rastafari, Hellenism, Zoroastrianism, Cult of the Supreme Being, Native American Church, Cult of Reason, Reaganism, Flying Teapot-ism, and so on?

Why do you need all those when you have Jesus?

This^
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Surfistan wrote:Norway also has universal healthcare, something wich cerain members within the religious right would find quite icky.

And, why choose Christianity as state religion, why not, say, New Age, Rastafari, Hellenism, Zoroastrianism, Cult of the Supreme Being, Native American Church, Cult of Reason, Reaganism, Flying Teapot-ism, and so on?

Answer=interfaith.

Or maybe no establishment of any religion and people can worship as they please? I wonder what that country would look like?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Making a state/national religion would not be interfaith.

:P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion


You are making no sense what so ever.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vazdania wrote::P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

Yes.
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Postby Divair » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Answer=interfaith.

Or maybe no establishment of any religion and people can worship as they please? I wonder what that country would look like?

Freedom? The Constitution? Who needs those?

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:10 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Menassa wrote:Why do you need all those when you have Jesus?

This^

Menassa is a Jew. He's being sarcastic. Stop agreeing with people that are making fun of you.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:11 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

Yes.

I really don't think you do, if you ever did.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:11 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vazdania wrote::P ALL religions or lack thereof could be the state religion

Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

No. He's trying, and failing, to crawl out of the very deep whole he's dig himself into.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU? DON'T DIG STRAIGHT DOWN!!!
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Postby Divair » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:12 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

No. He's trying, and failing, to crawl out of the very deep whole he's dig himself into.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU? DON'T DIG STRAIGHT DOWN!!!

You'll fall into lava.

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:12 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vazdania wrote:This^

Menassa is a Jew. He's being sarcastic. Stop agreeing with people that are making fun of you.

I know he is Jewish. :P I talk with him quite often.
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