Gun Permit

[Liriena]

Umm...a gun is inherently a weapon. It's something designed to be used as a weapon. It's not a means for transport (like a car) or something designed to cut your meat better (kitchen knife). It's something that was designed explicitly to fire projectiles at high speeds into a target, living or otherwise, in order to cause harm.

If you believe that then your knowledge of firearms is lacking.

This gun is not designed to kill or harm. It is designed to make visible holes in paper.

If that is a weapon, then throwing darts are weapons too.

Hahaha...how cute! Semantics!

[Liriena]

Since when does having a gun protect you from being shot? Do you carry so many that they totally cover your torso?

Bullet proof vests...

Bullet proof vests are not magical barriers. The lighter ones can't protect shit, and the heavier ones are military-grade, and very difficult to move with if you are not a Marine.

[Tule]

If you see a crazy mofo on a killing spree, it's not only your right, but an obligation to aim at him and pull the trigger.

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

Well darn, I suppose he should just let himself and other get shot then.

If you believe that then your knowledge of firearms is lacking.

This gun is not designed to kill or harm. It is designed to make visible holes in paper.

If that is a weapon, then throwing darts are weapons too.

Hahaha...how cute! Semantics!

You started it.

[Veceria]

Bullet proof vests...

Bullet proof vests are not magical barriers. The lighter ones can't protect shit, and the heavier ones are military-grade, and very difficult to move with if you are not a Marine.

I'm pretty sure being a Marine won't make moving in heavy vests easier

[Liriena]

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

Well darn, I suppose he should just let himself and other get shot then.

You didn't get my meaning.
In shooting sprees, most culprits don't really care about living or dying, so they are particularly ruthless and indiscriminated.

Unlike hypothetical "good guys with guns", who have to protect certain individuals, and hopefully get out of this alive, while getting rid of the culprit.

[Liriena]

Bullet proof vests are not magical barriers. The lighter ones can't protect shit, and the heavier ones are military-grade, and very difficult to move with if you are not a Marine.

I'm pretty sure being a Marine won't make moving in heavy vests easier

[Individual]

Bullet proof vests...

Aren't guns.

Oh, I'm SO sorry about that mistake I made. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings or anything.

and sorry, I meant also protecting others.

And don't protect other people who aren't wearing them.

So I shall leave them to die, then. No problem at all. Works for me, that one too.

[Tule]

Well darn, I suppose he should just let himself and other get shot then.

You didn't get my meaning.
In shooting sprees, most culprits don't really care about living or dying, so they are particularly ruthless and indiscriminated.

Unlike hypothetical "good guys with guns", who have to protect certain individuals, and hopefully get out of this alive, while getting rid of the culprit.

On the contrary, mass shooters usually give up and commit suicide when faced with resistance.

Cases in point: Adam Lanza, Cho Seung Hui, Tim Kretchmer, the Oregon Mall Shooter etc.

[Individual]

If you see a crazy mofo on a killing spree, it's not only your right, but an obligation to aim at him and pull the trigger.

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

From afar with a sniper rifle, maybe? Or with an assault weapon?

Anyway, I guess I'll try...

[Liriena]

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

Well darn, I suppose he should just let himself and other get shot then.

Hahaha...how cute! Semantics!

You started it.

Well, allow me to be more specific: firearms that are designed specifically for living targets, or larger inanimate targets.

[Individual]

And that has something to do with this, of course. You can, you know, protect others with guns...?

Yeah...but if you are physically, neurologically or psychologically impaired, you are most likely not much help with a gun, are you?
Would you let a John Nash in denial be the one to save you during a killing spree?

Depends. And if the situation is bad like that, I'll just stay out of trouble.
If he's the only alternative left, I guess I have no choice then.

[Great Nepal]

Bullet proof vests...

I would prefer not to wear them around 24/7.

and sorry, I meant also protecting others.

You come out of a room and hear gun shots and two people: Person A and Person B. Both of them are moving and shooting at each other. Who do you shoot?

[Liriena]

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

From afar with a sniper rifle, maybe? Or with an assault weapon?

Anyway, I guess I'll try...

But why should I allow you to carry a sniper rifle if I don't know whether you can use it properly? If I don't know whether you are psychologically, physically and neurologically healthy? What if you were suffering from psychosis, or schizophrenia, or Parkinson's?
Should I give you my vote of condidence to kill a mass shooter in such a case? On what grounds?

[Individual]

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

Even highly trained specialist operators often miss a lot of shots doing this, or the specialist dies.
Neither is a very good outcome.

Stuff like that happens, you know? It's not good, nor is it especially bad. Either way, shit happens.

[Ifreann]

Aren't guns.

Oh, I'm SO sorry about that mistake I made. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings or anything.

And don't protect other people who aren't wearing them.

So I shall leave them to die, then. No problem at all. Works for me, that one too.

You get that this isn't about bulletproof vests, right? If you want to talk about protection from getting shot, maybe start another thread.

[Liriena]

Even highly trained specialist operators often miss a lot of shots doing this, or the specialist dies.
Neither is a very good outcome.

Stuff like that happens, you know? It's not good, nor is it especially bad. Either way, shit happens.

But we, unlike you, want to prevent preventable shit from happening, starting with making surely dangerous mentally ill individuals can't own a gun, and that some unqualified idiot doesn't try to play hero, getting himself and others killed in the process.

[Liriena]

Yeah...but if you are physically, neurologically or psychologically impaired, you are most likely not much help with a gun, are you?
Would you let a John Nash in denial be the one to save you during a killing spree?

Depends. And if the situation is bad like that, I'll just stay out of trouble.
If he's the only alternative left, I guess I have no choice then.

Seriously?

[Individual]

Bullet proof vests...

I would prefer not to wear them around 24/7.

and sorry, I meant also protecting others.

You come out of a room and hear gun shots and two people: Person A and Person B. Both of them are moving and shooting at each other. Who do you shoot?

No one, if they can take care of themselves just fine. Your scenario described that they actually did quite fine without me.

[Veceria]

Bullet proof vests...

I would prefer not to wear them around 24/7.

and sorry, I meant also protecting others.

You come out of a room and hear gun shots and two people: Person A and Person B. Both of them are moving and shooting at each other. Who do you shoot?

The winner. Obviously.

[Liriena]

I would prefer not to wear them around 24/7.


You come out of a room and hear gun shots and two people: Person A and Person B. Both of them are moving and shooting at each other. Who do you shoot?

No one, if they can take care of themselves just fine. Your scenario described that they actually did quite fine without me.

[Tule]

Well darn, I suppose he should just let himself and other get shot then.



You started it.

Well, allow me to be more specific: firearms that are designed specifically for living targets, or larger inanimate targets.

That's better.

But the difference between firearms designed for use against living targets and paper is often negligible.

So the question of what the gun is designed for is ultimately meaningless. What matters is how it is used in practice.
That's how lawmakers should approach guns when regulating them.

[Great Nepal]

I would prefer not to wear them around 24/7.


You come out of a room and hear gun shots and two people: Person A and Person B. Both of them are moving and shooting at each other. Who do you shoot?

No one, if they can take care of themselves just fine. Your scenario described that they actually did quite fine without me.

They are shooting at each other, one of them is mad man who is going to kill innocents nearby and "they are doing just fine". Yea...

The winner. Obviously.

What if Person C is waiting for same thing and shoots you after you shoot the winner?

[Individual]

From afar with a sniper rifle, maybe? Or with an assault weapon?

Anyway, I guess I'll try...

But why should I allow you to carry a sniper rifle if I don't know whether you can use it properly? If I don't know whether you are psychologically, physically and neurologically healthy? What if you were suffering from psychosis, or schizophrenia, or Parkinson's?
Should I give you my vote of condidence to kill a mass shooter in such a case? On what grounds?

Why should I care what you allow or not? Votes on me? The hell? Sorry, but I will be on the case either way (especially if it's going to threaten my own life and liberty) or just GTFO of the town he's at.

[Clinical Depression]

A gun was intended for hunting and protection. If stupid ppl obtained a gun for criminal purposes, let them not make the legal gun carriers be stripped of their rights to protect themselves.

[Veceria]

No one, if they can take care of themselves just fine. Your scenario described that they actually did quite fine without me.

They are shooting at each other, one of them is mad man who is going to kill innocents nearby and "they are doing just fine". Yea...

The winner. Obviously.

What if Person C is waiting for same thing and shoots you after you shoot the winner?

Such is the circle of life!