Gun Permit

[MaziChino]

Even people who are psychologically, neurologically or physically incapacitated?

Sure, why not?

With all of the examples we have had of mentally impaired people shooting places up you think they should be allowed to own firearms?

So you are fine with someone shooting up a school and killing children???

Wow. Just. Wow.......

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Individual's a collectivist. S/he's quite happy with enslaving others to hir own group's desires.

[Ifreann]

A permit that needs renewing. ¹


Rather. You want this permit to be good for any firearm, so presumably your afternoon class and examinations will be covering every extant class of firearm. I doubt $15 would even cover the paper targets.²


Per the above, the cost of teaching people how to use every kind of firearm and testing them on them would either cost vastly more than $15 and take far longer than an afternoon, or you're going to let people buy rifles and shotguns and things normally mounted on A-10 Thunderbolts on the basis that they safely operated a revolver once. And those are both rather absurd positions.³


For tracking transaction statistics and flagging suspicious purchase patterns. ⁴


My objection was requiring a warrant to access the record of sales.⁵

1: Why require renewal? Firearms technology doesn't change that quickly?

Perhaps firearm technology doesn't change in a lifetime, but people do. People fall out of practice with their skills, or form bad habits.

2: As long as the cost doesn't start to interfere with everyone's right to bear arms, then the amount can be adjusted to reflect cost.

And it wouldn't really bankrupt the country if the cost of permits didn't wholly cover the cost of administering the tests.

3:Covered by multiple endorsements on one license. Similar to car, motorcycle and commercial endorsements on a drivers license.

And another one for buying parts, I would think.

4:Why would this be necessary, and how would it not be an infringement on personal rights?

It would be necessary for law enforcement and crime prevention, and not an infringement of personal rights because why would you have a right to keep records private from the people keeping the records? The telecomms company know your phone number. McDonalds know your secret love for their breakfast meals.

[Sociobiology]

Sure, why not?

With all of the examples we have had of mentally impaired people shooting places up you think they should be allowed to own firearms?

So you are fine with someone shooting up a school and killing children???

Wow. Just. Wow.......

Don't bother
I have yet to seem him post an actual argument and defend it.

[Sociobiology]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit, and why.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of violent crime (armed robbery, attempted homicide, ect.).

To buy a firearm form any seller (including private sellers), to buy certain parts(like receivers),
and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

Edit: things like concealed carry, collectors permits, and perhaps even different firearms type (shotgun, handgun, ect.) would be endorsements on the card.

Minimal age of gun ownership is 16 minimal to carry is 18.

debatable

Permit is issued after thorough background check and firearm safety exams.

did you read it?

Revoked if convicted/ found crazy.

so you didn't read it.

[Individual]

Sure, why not?

And you are comfortable with endangering yourself and your fellow citizens in that way?

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

[Esternial]

And you are comfortable with endangering yourself and your fellow citizens in that way?

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Some of those people might be nutjobs.

[Individual]

Sure, why not?

With all of the examples we have had of mentally impaired people shooting places up you think they should be allowed to own firearms?

So you are fine with someone shooting up a school and killing children???

Wow. Just. Wow.......

Mentally impaired people will be put down by sane people who have guns. Don't worry about them.

I'm not fine with it. I'm just the 'meh, who cares' -type. I'm also glad it never happened in the school I was in.

Indeed, I can be amazing at times.

[Xsyne]

And you are comfortable with endangering yourself and your fellow citizens in that way?

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Because defense does not involve shooting first.

[Individual]

Individual's a collectivist. S/he's quite happy with enslaving others to hir own group's desires.

It's a he, and no, I assure you that enslaving is not my intention for achieving happiness. It doesn't satisfy me anyhow.

[Ifreann]

And you are comfortable with endangering yourself and your fellow citizens in that way?

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Since when does having a gun protect you from being shot? Do you carry so many that they totally cover your torso?

[Tule]

Neither weapons nor their ownership have any place in a free society.

A gun is not inherently a weapon. It can be used as such but that doesn't mean it's designed to be one.

This pistol is designed as a weapon.

This pistol is designed as a piece of sporting equipment.

[Individual]

With all of the examples we have had of mentally impaired people shooting places up you think they should be allowed to own firearms?

So you are fine with someone shooting up a school and killing children???

Wow. Just. Wow.......

Don't bother
I have yet to seem him post an actual argument and defend it.

Then maybe you need to visit your ophthalmologist.

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Search for Geo's long-ish comment. It's my old nation. I'd quote it, but the topic is locked.

[Liriena]

And you are comfortable with endangering yourself and your fellow citizens in that way?

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Do you think all nutjobs tell you that they're going to shoot you in the back before doing the deed?

[Liriena]

Individual's a collectivist. S/he's quite happy with enslaving others to hir own group's desires.

A gun is not inherently a weapon. It can be used as such but that doesn't mean it's designed to be one.

Umm...a gun is inherently a weapon. It's something designed to be used as a weapon. It's not a means for transport (like a car) or something designed to cut your meat better (kitchen knife). It's something that was designed explicitly to fire projectiles at high speeds into a target, living or otherwise, in order to cause harm.

[Individual]

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Some of those people might be nutjobs.

Like, so the sane ones can put down the nutjobs...

[Individual]

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Because defense does not involve shooting first.

If you see a crazy mofo on a killing spree, it's not only your right, but an obligation to aim at him and pull the trigger.

[Individual]

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Since when does having a gun protect you from being shot? Do you carry so many that they totally cover your torso?

Bullet proof vests... and sorry, I meant also protecting others.

[Individual]

Uh, how am I endangering anyone if everyone already had guns to defend themselves with?

Do you think all nutjobs tell you that they're going to shoot you in the back before doing the deed?

And that has something to do with this, of course. You can, you know, protect others with guns...?

[Tule]

A gun is not inherently a weapon. It can be used as such but that doesn't mean it's designed to be one.

Umm...a gun is inherently a weapon. It's something designed to be used as a weapon. It's not a means for transport (like a car) or something designed to cut your meat better (kitchen knife). It's something that was designed explicitly to fire projectiles at high speeds into a target, living or otherwise, in order to cause harm.

If you believe that then your knowledge of firearms is lacking.

This gun is not designed to kill or harm. It is designed to make visible holes in paper.

If that is a weapon, then throwing darts are weapons too.

[Ifreann]

Since when does having a gun protect you from being shot? Do you carry so many that they totally cover your torso?

Bullet proof vests...

Aren't guns.

and sorry, I meant also protecting others.

And don't protect other people who aren't wearing them.

[Veceria]

Since when does having a gun protect you from being shot? Do you carry so many that they totally cover your torso?

Bullet proof vests...

Ever wore one?

[Liriena]

Because defense does not involve shooting first.

If you see a crazy mofo on a killing spree, it's not only your right, but an obligation to aim at him and pull the trigger.

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

[Liriena]

Do you think all nutjobs tell you that they're going to shoot you in the back before doing the deed?

And that has something to do with this, of course. You can, you know, protect others with guns...?

Yeah...but if you are physically, neurologically or psychologically impaired, you are most likely not much help with a gun, are you?
Would you let a John Nash in denial be the one to save you during a killing spree?

[Vareiln]

If you see a crazy mofo on a killing spree, it's not only your right, but an obligation to aim at him and pull the trigger.

Good luck killing a moving target that is also shooting back, and is most likely suicidal.

Even highly trained specialist operators often miss a lot of shots doing this, or the specialist dies.
Neither is a very good outcome.