Gun Permit

[Sociobiology]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit, and why.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of violent crime (armed robbery, attempted homicide, ect.).

To buy a firearm form any seller (including private sellers), to buy certain parts(like receivers),
and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

Edit: things like concealed carry, collectors permits, and perhaps even different firearms type (shotgun, handgun, ect.) would be endorsements on the card.

[Individual]

Nah. Free the market.

[TaQud]

oh great another gun control thread (whoop-dee-fucking-doo)

anyway

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership

1. Against Mandatory Background Checks

[Sociobiology]

oh great another gun control thread (whoop-dee-fucking-doo)

anyway

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership

1. Against Mandatory Background Checks

why?

[Silent Majority]

I don't really consider myself to be a supporter of gun control, but I would support this.

Because If you're against this, you're basically saying it should be harder to be able to legally drive a car than it should be to buy a gun, which is really quite silly.

[Lucius Valentine]

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[Big Jim P]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

To buy any firearm form any seller, to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

Edit: The license would also permit buying and selling between licensed individuals, and the initial background check would cover any future purchases from a dealer, with no further checks required.

My similar proposal:

Make training available (in high school I guess, with options for those long out of school). Upon passing the course you get issued a perpetual license that can only be revoked due to a diagnoses of relevant mental illness, or a relevant criminal act on the part of the licensee. That license being the only thing you need to purchase, own, or carry (open or concealed) a firearm. That license also being the only form of registration. No registration of the arms themselves.

Dyas refinement: Make shotguns, rifles and handguns be a separate endorsement on the license, similar to Car, Motorcycle and Commercial endorsements on a drivers license.

And we have the infrastructure in place already to implement this.[/quote]

[Nakhi]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

To buy any firearm form any seller, to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

Works for me, but I would say it would depend on the felony. If someone say, spray paints a train...is he a dangerous violent criminal? No, just an expensive one.

[Esternial]

Yes please.

[Nakhi]

I don't really consider myself to be a supporter of gun control, but I would support this.

Because If you're against this, you're basically saying it should be harder to be able to legally drive a car than it should be to buy a gun, which is really quite silly.

I've put this forth a few times to red faces of "guns for everybody all the time" people's. incredulous that my hubby and I have hella guns.

[Sociobiology]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

To buy any firearm form any seller, to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

Works for me, but I would say it would depend on the felony. If someone say, spray paints a train...is he a dangerous violent criminal? No, just an expensive one.

good point, should probably be violent crime.

[Ifreann]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.

So obviously a good idea I'd wonder how it couldn't already be standard.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.

Sure.

It would be a lifetime permit

No.

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

There is no way $5-15 would cover that.

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

So you can commit some gun violations and keep the license? No.

To buy any firearm form any seller,

Hah, no.

to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Sure.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant....

No.

[Big Jim P]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

To buy any firearm form any seller, to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

The only place I disagree with your proposal is the one afternoon class. Some may take more training to pass a test on the safety and practical aspects of firearms ownership. Others will be able to test out (I and many other gun owners have a great deal of training and practice already).

Edit: and ONE firearms violation leads to a suspension or revocation of said license.

[Sociobiology]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

To buy any firearm form any seller, to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant.
so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales

The only place I disagree with your proposal is the one afternoon class. Some may take more training to pass a test on the safety and practical aspects of firearms ownership. Others will be able to test out (I and many other gun owners have a great deal of training and practice already).

Edit: and ONE firearms violation leads to a suspension or revocation of said license.

I could certainly see a test out option for existing owners when the licence is first implemented, I could also see something like past military service allowing that to be waved.
I wanted the class as a minimum, my home state does that for hunting licences and it at least means some one has instructed you how to handle it properly so you have no excuse.

[Sociobiology]

What is your your stance on mandatory background checks for gun ownership and/or a firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

No.

alternative?

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

There is no way $5-15 would cover that.

It does in my state for hunting licences but there may be scaling issues.

the licence can be revoked for multiple gun violations (reckless discharge, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of felony.

So you can commit some gun violations and keep the license? No.

yeah I'm gonna change that

To buy any firearm form any seller,

Hah, no.

so whats the problem?

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant....

No.

why?

you really need the record for the permit to work, otherwise it is
"did you buy this with with a permit?"
"Yeah" {lie}
"well OK then"

[Big Jim P]

The only place I disagree with your proposal is the one afternoon class. Some may take more training to pass a test on the safety and practical aspects of firearms ownership. Others will be able to test out (I and many other gun owners have a great deal of training and practice already).

Edit: and ONE firearms violation leads to a suspension or revocation of said license.

I could certainly see a test out option for existing owners when the licence is first implemented, I could also see something like past military service allowing that to be waved.
I wanted the class as a minimum, my home state does that for hunting licences and it at least means some one has instructed you how to handle it properly so you have no excuse.

As a minimum for new gun owners I would say one day of safety training (the first day of course), one day devoted to legal responsibilities, and one day (or more if needed) of basic marksmanship.

Edit: and RECENT past military service. I have been out of the military for 20 years now, and although I have kept my training up to date, not everyone does or can.

[Sociobiology]

I could certainly see a test out option for existing owners when the licence is first implemented, I could also see something like past military service allowing that to be waved.
I wanted the class as a minimum, my home state does that for hunting licences and it at least means some one has instructed you how to handle it properly so you have no excuse.

As a minimum for new gun owners I would say one day of safety training (the first day of course), one day devoted to legal responsibilities, and one day (or more if needed) of basic marksmanship.

I'm not saying I disagree, but I know there is going to be a lot of opposition to this, that is a lot of time for a person on the lower income levels.

[Vareiln]

I would support this, along with Jim's suggested modifications.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I could get behind an idea like this. I'd like to see it paired with an opening up of firearms importation laws and policy (when the hell are those damned South Korean Garand's going to be accepted into the country?) to make up for the price increases and loss of liquidity such a program would almost necessitate amongst private people, but it seems like a good plan.

[Big Jim P]

As a minimum for new gun owners I would say one day of safety training (the first day of course), one day devoted to legal responsibilities, and one day (or more if needed) of basic marksmanship.

I'm not saying I disagree, but I know there is going to be a lot of opposition to this, that is a lot of time for a person on the lower income levels.

True. However at absolute minimum, safety training has to come first.

[Ainin]

Canada's been doing it for a while already. Gun permits work fine.

[Cosara]

Canada's been doing it for a while already. Gun permits work fine.

A Daycare just got shot up in Quebec...

[Samuraikoku]

Canada's been doing it for a while already. Gun permits work fine.

A Daycare just got shot up in Quebec...

No, it didn't. Someone got shot near a daycare.

[Cosara]

I would not support this law.

[Cosara]

A Daycare just got shot up in Quebec...

No, it didn't. Someone got shot near a daycare.

The NSG Thread LIES!