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SF Penguins
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Postby SF Penguins » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 pm

What do you think NAFTA is

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Maurepas
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 pm

SF Penguins wrote:Because without the right to bear arms they don't have to listen to you cause if they got the guns and you don't i'm sure you're really going to stand up to the goverment.

I cant make heads or tails of that sentence...

But, I seriously doubt a handgun or hunting rifle is taking out an Abrams anytime soon anyway, even if they were being "taken away", :roll:

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Maurepas
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:31 pm

SF Penguins wrote:What do you think NAFTA is

A crappy economic union, imo...whats your point?

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Postby Wilgrove » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:32 pm

I think the government can be improved upon, however I don't think having another Civil War is the answer.

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Bavin
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Postby Bavin » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:32 pm

SF Penguins wrote:And look at Europe there siging away there soverignty to the Lisbon treaty and the EU

One step closer to federated Europe, then World Unity, then a neo-Renaissance, space expansion...
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Postby Spartan Philidelphia » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:33 pm

SF Penguins wrote:No Shit there are gun laws i'm not apposed to background checks, but when they try to start banning certain firearms then where do they stop. And no i'm not reading from a conspiracy website this just what i've got to say from what I've researched try it.


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National Corporations
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Postby National Corporations » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:33 pm

The American political system has slowly taken almost every right it can from the state governments and this has made our leadership further and further detached from the people they represent... senators serving 20-30 years in office have no idea what their people want a federal government that tells smaller more rural states that they have to spend their money in certain ways because the larger more populous states out vote them... i say return power to State and local governments and let the states make their own choices not big brother.


Maurepas wrote:
SF Penguins wrote:Because without the right to bear arms they don't have to listen to you cause if they got the guns and you don't i'm sure you're really going to stand up to the goverment.

I cant make heads or tails of that sentence...

But, I seriously doubt a handgun or hunting rifle is taking out an Abrams anytime soon anyway, even if they were being "taken away", :roll:


No it won't but a good hunting rifle can take out a tank commander at a half mile, and what he is saying is its a right and one that a vast majority wants protected and most importantly it is IN the Constitution and for that reason alone the rules for removing or editing the Constitution should be followed.
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Postby Augarundus » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:35 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:I'm sure this will be locked, but:

I find it highly suspect that people like you were completely silent for 8 years of the Bush Administration running roughshod over the Constitution, taking more and broader tyrannical powers for the executive branch than any administration since FDR, all in the name of "fighting terrorism", but now that a Democrat wants to give people health insurance, it's suddenly time for armed revolution. Your hypocrisy sickens me.


People like him? (or me)

You think us to be Republicans (btw, I've never known this person before. I use 'us' to mean the collective of conservatives and moderates); we are not. Well... I am not.

Our silence over the last 8 years?

Well... I'm 13 years old, so I doubt I could have been very vocal at 5. However, my political models, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, certainly weren't silent for 8 years. They staunchly opposed Bush's totalitarian policies of wire taps and economic socialism since their implementation, and I recognize Bush's massive faults as well.

Obama is simply a fast-acting version of what Bush intended to introduce in a much slower dive into socio-economic marxism.
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Postby TerraPublica » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:36 pm

Spartan Philidelphia wrote:
SF Penguins wrote:No Shit there are gun laws i'm not apposed to background checks, but when they try to start banning certain firearms then where do they stop. And no i'm not reading from a conspiracy website this just what i've got to say from what I've researched try it.


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Postby Neesika » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:37 pm

SF Penguins wrote:What do you think about the federal goverment and if you are tired of the tyranny like i am, then Post IT

Someone doesn't understand what tyranny means.

Nor do you seem to have a point other than a 'wah, the government is mean!'.

Nothing like unformed angst fuelling your political beliefs.
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Postby Neesika » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:39 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:I'm sure this will be locked, but:

I find it highly suspect that people like you were completely silent for 8 years of the Bush Administration running roughshod over the Constitution, taking more and broader tyrannical powers for the executive branch than any administration since FDR, all in the name of "fighting terrorism", but now that a Democrat wants to give people health insurance, it's suddenly time for armed revolution. Your hypocrisy sickens me.

I doubt I'm the only one who agrees wholeheartedly with this statement.

Once again. George W. Bush supported torture. And ever single person who didn't speak out against it provided their tacit consent. Comparing the current administration to that is laughable, and scary.
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Postby Bavin » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:39 pm

Augarundus wrote:
People like him? (or me)

You think us to be Republicans (btw, I've never known this person before. I use 'us' to mean the collective of conservatives and moderates); we are not. Well... I am not.

Our silence over the last 8 years?

Well... I'm 13 years old, so I doubt I could have been very vocal at 5. However, my political models, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, certainly weren't silent for 8 years. They staunchly opposed Bush's totalitarian policies of wire taps and economic socialism since their implementation, and I recognize Bush's massive faults as well.

Obama is simply a fast-acting version of what Bush intended to introduce in a much slower dive into socio-economic marxism.
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Postby Pevisopolis » Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:57 pm

SF Penguins wrote:Because without the right to bear arms they don't have to listen to you cause if they got the guns and you don't i'm sure you're really going to stand up to the goverment.


My best interpretation of that post is... "Guns = Power". Is that your message?

Really, from what I've seen, Power has three bases; the Pen, Wallet, and Barrel of a Gun. Power is created with the Pen, ensured with the Wallet, and enforced with the Gun. In short, you're gonna have to have some entrenched authority and money along with your gun, if you want to get any change accomplished.
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Goath
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Postby Goath » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:18 pm

National Corporations wrote:The American political system has slowly taken almost every right it can from the state governments and this has made our leadership further and further detached from the people they represent... senators serving 20-30 years in office have no idea what their people want a federal government that tells smaller more rural states that they have to spend their money in certain ways because the larger more populous states out vote them... i say return power to State and local governments and let the states make their own choices not big brother.


Umm...you realize those Senators have been re-elected every 6 years, right? I mean, obviously the people aren't too upset with the job they're doing. If people don't like their Senators...they vote them out of office.

A lot of the federal mandates you have a problem with aren't the sort of thing states must do- they only have to comply if they want federal funds. they could always reject the billions they get from the feds and have almost total control wall-to-wall. Almost. ;)

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SF Penguins wrote:Because without the right to bear arms they don't have to listen to you cause if they got the guns and you don't i'm sure you're really going to stand up to the goverment.

I cant make heads or tails of that sentence...

But, I seriously doubt a handgun or hunting rifle is taking out an Abrams anytime soon anyway, even if they were being "taken away", :roll:


No it won't but a good hunting rifle can take out a tank commander at a half mile, and what he is saying is its a right and one that a vast majority wants protected and most importantly it is IN the Constitution and for that reason alone the rules for removing or editing the Constitution should be followed.


No one is trying to take away your guns. Though I do disagree with your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment....but that's another thread.

None of the "threats" out there to our freedom are real. There are no black helicopters.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:25 pm

Goath wrote:There are no black helicopters.

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Coincidence? I think not, :p

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Postby Free Soviets » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:25 pm

Augarundus wrote:However, my political models, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, certainly weren't silent for 8 years. They staunchly opposed Bush's totalitarian policies of wire taps and economic socialism since their implementation

how does one spell the noise of a brain breaking?

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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:26 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
Augarundus wrote:However, my political models, Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly, certainly weren't silent for 8 years. They staunchly opposed Bush's totalitarian policies of wire taps and economic socialism since their implementation

how does one spell the noise of a brain breaking?

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Postby Tokos » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:26 pm

I don't understand the argument that simple firearms can't give government agents, etc., some serious grief. I mean… Iraq…
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Postby Free Soviets » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:26 pm

National Corporations wrote:i say return power to State and local governments and let the states make their own choices not big brother.

in what sense is the federal but not state government 'big brother'?

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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:28 pm

Tokos wrote:I don't understand the argument that simple firearms can't give government agents, etc., some serious grief. I mean… Iraq…

If you dont mind me asking, what does that bit of Latin mean in your sig?

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Postby Soratsin » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:31 pm

SF Penguins wrote:If you get your news from CNN, Fox, Msnbc or any other major news station then of course your going to think that i'm crazy cause they're bought off by the parties and as far as that stuff being a fact of democracy, well why settle for that and by the way we are a REUBLIC. And for you who said I don't the constituion, I'm pretty sure that I know my rights and that when the goverment starts talking about taking any of them away I get just a little concerned and maybe you should to instead of always playing your video games, research on your own on the Internet, Look up Alex Jones, you'll see what i'm talking about, and no, he's not crazy and I don't do meth and yes I do like beer


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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:35 pm

SF Penguins wrote:One I hated bush and i realize what the hell he did to the consituiont. Two I hate Obama because he is no better and is proposing with his health care bill to essentially Kill your grandmother. and Three, I Think the partys have ruined America.


Oh for fucks sake. There is NOTHING in the packages for that.

Never mind the fact your granny is already doomed by the concept of pre-existing condition. Unless of course States have laws against it......
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Postby Tokos » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:36 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Tokos wrote:I don't understand the argument that simple firearms can't give government agents, etc., some serious grief. I mean… Iraq…

If you dont mind me asking, what does that bit of Latin mean in your sig?
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Postby The Union of Myanmar » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:40 pm

The National Council of Myanmar has decided to improve relations with the federal government of the United States of America.

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Postby New Kereptica » Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:41 pm

The Union of Myanmar wrote:The National Council of Myanmar has decided to improve relations with the federal government of the United States of America.

Wrong forum.
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