You Don't Exist, Apparently...

[Buffett and Colbert]

[quote="Hydesland";p="892006"But how do you know it's a crappy legitimisation? You don't, not for sure, therefore it's probably reasonable to assume that you don't exist. Get it, it makes perfect sense, because you never know, it may not make perfect sense, but how do I know that I never know? I don't, so I must know, because I don't know that I don't know, which is a contradiction. Perfect logic![/quote]
You sir, rock.

[CornixPes II]

Rhodmhire, your friend was probably high. I've had many a stoney thought along those exact same lines.

I tend to be more concerned with my hands or why I can't feel the ground through my shoes (this is a common occurance).

[Pevisopolis]

Rhodmhire, your friend was probably high. I've had many a stoney thought along those exact same lines.

I tend to be more concerned with my hands or why I can't feel the ground through my shoes (this is a common occurance).

I oftentimes focus on practicing Hand Signs or how, whenever I talk, it seems more like what I just said was thought rather than spoken.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

Does fact exist?

Yes, but it is not always clear. True we can't always find a 100% truth to something, but their are things we do know, and that is that their is fact and logic in this universe. How? The way that the universe is made up is extremley complex but makes sense. Time travel isn't possible (or at least yet) in my opinion, we can't jump into different dimensions, what goes up must come down, etc. so we can therefore say that there is logic. As for the question do we really exist; those who go around constantly asking themselves this and obsess over this run the risk of missing out on life. Take a chance and live your life, do it in a way that won't hurt others, and help whoever you can along the way. Do this, and you have a pretty good life, not perfect as almost nothing is, but pretty good none the less.

[Rhodmhire]

I don't exist? Awesome, I guess that means my degree and my job doesn't exist either! Hey everybody, there's no need to do any work, let's all go home and play video games!

Nope, if life is a mirage--the video games created by living humans are as non-existent as the non-existent humans who didn't make them.

[Rhodmhire]

Rhodmhire, your friend was probably high. I've had many a stoney thought along those exact same lines.

Aren't we all pretty much always high on something in some way for some period of time?

[Hairless Kitten II]

Christof Koch, a professor in biology & engineering, from California Institute of Technology is currently doing very interesting research about this issue...

http://www.questforconsciousness.com/

[Pevisopolis]

Rhodmhire, your friend was probably high. I've had many a stoney thought along those exact same lines.

Aren't we all pretty much always high on something in some way for some period of time?

Absolutely. But then again, by "High", I'm referring to "Brain being saturated with THC".

[CornixPes II]

Does fact exist?

Yes, but it is not always clear. True we can't always find a 100% truth to something, but their are things we do know, and that is that their is fact and logic in this universe. How? The way that the universe is made up is extremley complex but makes sense. Time travel isn't possible (or at least yet) in my opinion, we can't jump into different dimensions, what goes up must come down, etc. so we can therefore say that there is logic. As for the question do we really exist; those who go around constantly asking themselves this and obsess over this run the risk of missing out on life. Take a chance and live your life, do it in a way that won't hurt others, and help whoever you can along the way. Do this, and you have a pretty good life, not perfect as almost nothing is, but pretty good none the less.

Some people can't help 'obsessing' about it though, it's wired into them. Sometimes it can be a good thing, we do need critics, we just don't need people who disrupt the order of things by quoting existential farces and hoping to inspire a mass opinion that everything doesn't exist and therefore we can just grow wings, lay eggs and fuck the planet. I totally agree with you that we should just let it be and enjoy the life as we see it on the surface, it's just that some people are unable to do so.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

[quote="CornixPes II";p="892103"][quote="Soviet Commu-Facism";p="892083"][quote="Rhodmhire";p="890730"]

Does fact exist?[/quote]
Yes, but it is not always clear. True we can't always find a 100% truth to something, but their are things we do know, and that is that their is fact and logic in this universe. How? The way that the universe is made up is extremley complex but makes sense. Time travel isn't possible (or at least yet) in my opinion, we can't jump into different dimensions, what goes up must come down, etc. so we can therefore say that there is logic. As for the question do we really exist; those who go around constantly asking themselves this and obsess over this run the risk of missing out on life. Take a chance and live your life, do it in a way that won't hurt others, and help whoever you can along the way. Do this, and you have a pretty good life, not perfect as almost nothing is, but pretty good none the less.[/quote]

Some people can't help 'obsessing' about it though, it's wired into them. Sometimes it can be a good thing, we do need critics, we just don't need people who disrupt the order of things by quoting existential farces and hoping to inspire a mass opinion that everything doesn't exist and therefore we can just grow wings, lay eggs and fuck the planet. I totally agree with you that we should just let it be and enjoy the life as we see it on the surface, it's just that some people are unable to do so.[/quote]
I see. It is extremly sad to hear that. I honestly pity those that can't help but obsess, it's like having extreme OCD, and I REALLY pity those people.

[CornixPes II]

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I totally agree, it's sad. It's great to know there are people who understand this though.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

Yes, I totally agree. I can only hope that people can find a way of helping these kinds of people so they can live real lives, or (if you believe that this is all a mirage) the life that is put in front of you.

[Rhodmhire]

Christof Koch, a professor in biology & engineering, from California Institute of Technology is currently doing very interesting research about this issue...

http://www.questforconsciousness.com/

Too many big words, hurt brain, read not.

But I like quests, so I'll come back to it after I get my armor on and mount my steed.

Blast! I'm out of ale, and my mana is dangerously low. Ah well, I'll have to wait until I level up--sorry.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

Christof Koch, a professor in biology & engineering, from California Institute of Technology is currently doing very interesting research about this issue...

http://www.questforconsciousness.com/

Too many big words, hurt brain, read not.

But I like quests, so I'll come back to it after I get my armor on and mount my steed.

Blast! I'm out of ale, and my mana is dangerously low. Ah well, I'll have to wait until I level up--sorry.

Indeed! I say, what do you believe is the more important quest, the quest for power, or knowledge?

[Cannot think of a name]

No. But we have to assume it does or else we wouldn't be able to do much of anything really.

Exactly the point I made, yet he constantly struck it down by saying if we didn't know it 100%, we couldn't declare it true/false.

Therefore, nothing is true/false.

Nothing.

Don't tell poker players that. They're able to make reasoned guesses with varying value on what is true or not based on nothing more than a statistical understanding and their read on someone deliberately trying to deceive them. If they can do it in those conditions, so can we.

[Rhodmhire]

Christof Koch, a professor in biology & engineering, from California Institute of Technology is currently doing very interesting research about this issue...

http://www.questforconsciousness.com/

Too many big words, hurt brain, read not.

But I like quests, so I'll come back to it after I get my armor on and mount my steed.

Blast! I'm out of ale, and my mana is dangerously low. Ah well, I'll have to wait until I level up--sorry.

Indeed! I say, what do you believe is the more important quest, the quest for power, or knowledge?

Whichever one helps me become a level 10 mage the fastest.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

No. But we have to assume it does or else we wouldn't be able to do much of anything really.

Exactly the point I made, yet he constantly struck it down by saying if we didn't know it 100%, we couldn't declare it true/false.

Therefore, nothing is true/false.

Nothing.

Don't tell poker players that. They're able to make reasoned guesses with varying value on what is true or not based on nothing more than a statistical understanding and their read on someone deliberately trying to deceive them. If they can do it in those conditions, so can we.

Big and confusing words all placed together in a sentance, I did get the jist of it, but still confusing. Yes, it would be unfortunate to do this to one. By the end of the conversation, they'd be in a hospital, one of the ones that have padded cells.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

Christof Koch, a professor in biology & engineering, from California Institute of Technology is currently doing very interesting research about this issue...

http://www.questforconsciousness.com/

Too many big words, hurt brain, read not.

But I like quests, so I'll come back to it after I get my armor on and mount my steed.

Blast! I'm out of ale, and my mana is dangerously low. Ah well, I'll have to wait until I level up--sorry.

Indeed! I say, what do you believe is the more important quest, the quest for power, or knowledge?

Whichever one helps me become a level 10 mage the fastest.

I see. I personally try to pick whichever class that gives me a sword, magic, and the chance to become an evil ruler of a nation! All hail me!

[Cannot think of a name]

No. But we have to assume it does or else we wouldn't be able to do much of anything really.

Exactly the point I made, yet he constantly struck it down by saying if we didn't know it 100%, we couldn't declare it true/false.

Therefore, nothing is true/false.

Nothing.

Don't tell poker players that. They're able to make reasoned guesses with varying value on what is true or not based on nothing more than a statistical understanding and their read on someone deliberately trying to deceive them. If they can do it in those conditions, so can we.

Big and confusing words all placed together in a sentance, I did get the jist of it, but still confusing. Yes, it would be unfortunate to do this to one. By the end of the conversation, they'd be in a hospital, one of the ones that have padded cells.

Yeah, I like pot, too.

[Soviet Commu-Facism]

I don't like pot, where'd you get that from?

[Krytenia]

You know you exist because you couldn't possibly imagine the world as it is, in so much detail and crystal clarity, and with so many minute imperfections.

Existence itself, after all, is experiencing being alive. And even if this is all a dream, somewhere you must be alive. Therefore you exist.

...

Someone pass me the ibuprofen.

[TurtleShroom]

WOW, now that was deep. In my opinion, some things are fact because we see it, others because we've read about it, and like the conspirist, some things because we just believe it.

For example:


• I am sitting at a desk, typing on a keyboard. This is fact because I am sitting at a desk, typing at a keyboard. I'm seeing it, hearing it, feeling it, ect. ect.
  
• Adolf Hitler was real and slaughtered millions of innocent people. This is fact. We only know this by those who lived in the 1940s and such and by footage, pictures, items from the past. However, we believe it to have happened because of the overwhelming evidence that the Holocaust, sadly, existed,
  
• John F. Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. That's a fact, we all know that part, but we split on if Lee was in cahoots with other villains and baddies. For example, I believe that it was Lee and Lee alone, based on the hundreds of evidence of the Warren Report, and of my typical laughing at the "New World Order". HOWEVER, no matter how overwhelming the evidence, there is always the chance of a conspiracy. Though I can't validate the other theories, I stick with my one man stance. We know for a fact that JFK died, that Lee was involved, and from there, everything else is perception.
  
• Then, there's some things that we can never prove. For example, I believe that many billions of years ago, an intelligent, loving, and perfect being that I call God created the heavens and the earth. I believe that everything has a purpose in said being's plan. I believe that God sent his Son to Die on the Cross during the Roman Empire, and that said God-in-human-form, whom I call Jesus, ressurected on the Third Day, to become the savior of the World. I believe in Christianity in full. HOWEVER, I can never prove God, and my only evidence is a book well over a millineum old, composed in the Middle East and translated for centuries. However, I believe with all my existance that God and Jesus are real. Can I prove it? Absolutely not. Is it fact? To me, absolutely, but to others, it isn't.
  
  It makes me wonder. I laugh at conspirists all of the time, but with your deep insight on the subject, I was left thinking. I beleive in a supreme being outside of space and time. I believe in a perfect human created by God to save the world by death on a cross. I believe this with the same devout passion as a conspirist does on 9/11.
  
  

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  Yet, I'm not that different. Religion can't be proven, but the religious believe it is real with their very being. Conspiracies can't be entirely ruled out, but the conspirists believe it is fact with their very being.
  

I guess conspiracies, like religion, are a product of the world's desire to understand everything around them. It may fill a sense of longing or a sense of purpose, but I guess we all have a little bit of conspiracy theories within us.

I believe in Jesus Christ, others believe in other gods and theories, and some believe in nothing. It's part of the beauty of life.


Thank you for that paragraph, it was very deep and a very, VERY good read. I think this thing is going into the preservation archives.

[Idaho Conservatives]

This subjective reality stuff is really hurting my head.

[Tunizcha]

Well, until UT comes on, I won't be my naive materialist self.

It is true that we can never be entirely sure of our existence, or the existence of existence itself.
But unless we assume so, all is nigh.

[Rhodmhire]

Well, until UT comes on, I won't be my naive materialist self.

It is true that we can never be entirely sure of our existence, or the existence of existence itself.
But unless we assume so, all is nigh.

I've been waiting for quite some time, I await with great anticipation and anxiety.