White supremacy

[Diopolis]

White supremacy is wrong, but if people insist on safegaurding freedom of speech, then they should not attempt to suppress it.

[Meryuma]

So basically Islamophobes are taking Al-Qaeda's interpretation of Islam as the proper one just because it makes Muslims look worse.

"Islamophobe" didn't created the islamic creed, not did they changed a it's core book to include several hundred time the word "Fight" "Death" Mainly adressed to unbelievers and other religions.
While religious diversity vary from state to state, every single country with a muslim minority face militant islam at some points. Please quote us a country where a muslim minority (5%+) live in peace with the rest since 10 years.

I wasn't saying the Qur'an doesn't have nasty stuff in it, just that the interpretation of suicide bombing being acceptable because it's martyrdom is strongly rejected by most Muslims.

As for places with Muslims living in peace with non-Muslims, Canada and the state of Illinois.

Too bad you have no say in the matter.

It is too bad because I could turn around the USA quickly if I had full dictator powers. We would have a Singapore levels of crime, higher economic freedoms, lower debt, lower taxes, a smaller but smarter and wealthier population (through a soft eugenics policy), and very low rates of religious terrorism. Europeans would be begging to be allowed to move to the USA (once they have their civil war in the near future). Sadly, only a few would be allowed in (based on their political and religious views).

Oh well, we can be an open door to the "wretched refuse " of the world. That saying is truer today than ever.

Singapore has a more intelligent idea about this:

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refdaily?pass=463ef21123&date=2009-03-25&cat=Asia/Pacific

Singapore cannot accept Rohingya refugees: minister
Publisher: AFP, Agence France Presse
Story date: 24/03/2009

SINGAPORE, March 24, 2009 (AFP) –

Singapore cannot accept Rohingya refugees should they attempt to land but would help them depart for another country, a senior government official said Tuesday.

"Given our limited land and natural resources, Singapore is not in a position to accept persons seeking political asylum or refugee status," said senior minister of state for foreign affairs Balaji Sadasivan.

Why can't the USA say this? We should follow Singapore's lead. The USA won't likely lose Singapore's respect if they enact such a policy. The country isn't perfect but they sure have less crime, lower obesity rates, clean streets, good cultural attractions, great food, and good economic policies, great public transit, an airline with pretty and friendly flight attendants, and a top rated airport. They manage this despite having a diverse culture represented by 4 religions and with large populations of Chinese, Malaysm Indians, British, and Thais. We could learn a lot from them.

They're an authoritarian hellhole using glitz and glamor to cover up their barbaric human rights record. They're no better than Dubai.

[Maurepas]

Why can't it be both? It's wrong, but part of free speech is allowing people to be wrong.

[Agymnum]

Why can't it be both? It's wrong, but part of free speech is allowing people to be wrong.

You have the right to be stupid.

It's right there in the Constitution, between the penis doodle and the ranch dressing stain.

Apologies to Mr. Colbert.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Why can't it be both? It's wrong, but part of free speech is allowing people to be wrong.

You have the right to be stupid.

It's right there in the Constitution, between the penis doodle and the ranch dressing stain.

Apologies to Mr. Colbert.

Dare to be stupid. What did I say? Dare to be stupid. It's all right. We'll be stupid all night!

[Restaured France]

"Islamophobe" didn't created the islamic creed, not did they changed a it's core book to include several hundred time the word "Fight" "Death" Mainly adressed to unbelievers and other religions.
While religious diversity vary from state to state, every single country with a muslim minority face militant islam at some points. Please quote us a country where a muslim minority (5%+) live in peace with the rest since 10 years.

I wasn't saying the Qur'an doesn't have nasty stuff in it, just that the interpretation of suicide bombing being acceptable because it's martyrdom is strongly rejected by most Muslims.

As for places with Muslims living in peace with non-Muslims, Canada and the state of Illinois.

Please prove that martyrdom or militant Jihad is rejected by any Muslim community. Please prove clearly with factual source from Islamic Fatwa ( jurisdiction according to the hadith, records of muslims laws and customs )

If anything, what make you think they are not resorting to deceive ( Takkya ) to protect their community.
Also give us a clear estimate of the % of muslim in your town or Illinois according to your source. ( from WIKI 2001 : Muslim/Islamic: 1%)

Otherwise. A fact : http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/20 ... icago-bar/

We don't see much Christian/Jewish/Buddhist obsessed with holywar (unless you can prove otherwise) . What is so different tell me ?

[Mirkana]

Both. Legally, it is free speech. Morally and factually, it is wrong.

[Meryuma]

Please prove that martyrdom or militant Jihad is rejected by any Muslim community. Please prove clearly with factual source from Islamic Fatwa ( jurisdiction according to the hadith, records of muslims laws and customs )

If anything, what make you think they are not resorting to deceive ( Takkya ) to protect their community.
Also give us a clear estimate of the % of muslim in your town or Illinois according to your source. ( from WIKI 2001 : Muslim/Islamic: 1%)

Otherwise. A fact : http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/20 ... icago-bar/

We don't see much Christian/Jewish/Buddhist obsessed with holywar (unless you can prove otherwise) . What is so different tell me ?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03 ... s=PM:WORLD

Also, there are Christians and Jews who engage in religious violence. There are also Muslims who oppose religious violence.

[Tekania]

As for places with Muslims living in peace with non-Muslims, Canada and the state of Illinois.

Well, more places than that.... here in VA, I've been able to invite Muslim friends over multiple times without my house blowing up..... and my wife can walk around our own house then without wearing a hijab...... and of course somehow we're able to refrain from killing each other during the party. Who knew....

[Pillea]

As for places with Muslims living in peace with non-Muslims, Canada and the state of Illinois.

Well, more places than that.... here in VA, I've been able to invite Muslim friends over multiple times without my house blowing up..... and my wife can walk around our own house then without wearing a hijab...... and of course somehow we're able to refrain from killing each other during the party. Who knew....

And hey, I ate with a bunch of Palestinians the other day, and boy, was I shocked that the restaurant didn't explode, except with delicious aromas of food.
[obviously not surprised]

[Wikkiwallana]

I believe in White Supremacy, but I'm not going to go out and kill a whole bunch of minorities and breach 14/88 while I do it. There are peaceful ways to conduct supremacist beliefs, like the living room of your house or in organized, permitted protests and assemblies.

I would love to attend your next protest. Can you give me an address and time? I've been wanting to organize a "Hitler Has Only Got One Ball" sing-along for years!

[Wikkiwallana]

so according to that white people are superior to africans , intelligence isnt the only factor in life

In fairness the authors of 'The Bell Curve' said data must be taken with caution. He didn't want his data used by hate groups but he did mention it should be used for govt. policy (such as less welfare to discourage poor people with lower IQ from having children). We must remember these are AVERAGES and there are plenty of highly intelligent black people including this man:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_E._Williams

http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/

And of course there are plenty of retarded white gentlemen as well, including this gentleman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx

Just kidding, he likely had high IQ but of course caused more suffering than most low IQ retarded people out there. Yes, high IQ is just one factor. However, read 'The Bell Curve' (dry in parts but an important book) to find out why IQ is such an important measurement for society.

This is one reason you may notice in my posts I always support increased immigration from east Asian nations (and not just because the women are prettier there). I believe middle class and wealthy educated East Asians can make America stronger and bring it up (same for Ashkenazi Jews but there aren't many). Sub-Saharan farmers will not help and besides if we need poor people we have Latin America next door. The average Mexican is smarter and will fit in better with American culture than the average man from Congo.

IQ measures pretty much nothing other than one's ability to take the test that produced the given score, and even then, it doesn't work the way you seem to believe it does. Using it as a basis for absolutely any governmental policy is an incredibly bad idea.

[Dejanic]

Considering White Nationalists wouldn't give non racists freedom of speech under their ideal system, and they certainly wouldn't give non whites and Jews freedom to live within "White Nations", I have absolutely no moral problem with restricting White Nationalists freedom of speech.

[Agymnum]

Considering White Nationalists wouldn't give non racists freedom of speech under their ideal system, and they certainly wouldn't give non whites and Jews freedom to live within "White Nations", I have absolutely no moral problem with restricting White Nationalists freedom of speech.

You don't beat someone by stooping to their level. That's childish.

[Desperate Measures]

White supremacy is wrong, but if people insist on safegaurding freedom of speech, then they should not attempt to suppress it.

Just because someone has a right to say something doesn't mean I shouldn't do my best to shut them up about it.

[Freiheit Reich]

"Islamophobe" didn't created the islamic creed, not did they changed a it's core book to include several hundred time the word "Fight" "Death" Mainly adressed to unbelievers and other religions.
While religious diversity vary from state to state, every single country with a muslim minority face militant islam at some points. Please quote us a country where a muslim minority (5%+) live in peace with the rest since 10 years.

I wasn't saying the Qur'an doesn't have nasty stuff in it, just that the interpretation of suicide bombing being acceptable because it's martyrdom is strongly rejected by most Muslims.

As for places with Muslims living in peace with non-Muslims, Canada and the state of Illinois.

It is too bad because I could turn around the USA quickly if I had full dictator powers. We would have a Singapore levels of crime, higher economic freedoms, lower debt, lower taxes, a smaller but smarter and wealthier population (through a soft eugenics policy), and very low rates of religious terrorism. Europeans would be begging to be allowed to move to the USA (once they have their civil war in the near future). Sadly, only a few would be allowed in (based on their political and religious views).

Oh well, we can be an open door to the "wretched refuse " of the world. That saying is truer today than ever.

Singapore has a more intelligent idea about this:

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refdaily?pass=463ef21123&date=2009-03-25&cat=Asia/Pacific

Singapore cannot accept Rohingya refugees: minister
Publisher: AFP, Agence France Presse
Story date: 24/03/2009

SINGAPORE, March 24, 2009 (AFP) –

Singapore cannot accept Rohingya refugees should they attempt to land but would help them depart for another country, a senior government official said Tuesday.

"Given our limited land and natural resources, Singapore is not in a position to accept persons seeking political asylum or refugee status," said senior minister of state for foreign affairs Balaji Sadasivan.

Why can't the USA say this? We should follow Singapore's lead. The USA won't likely lose Singapore's respect if they enact such a policy. The country isn't perfect but they sure have less crime, lower obesity rates, clean streets, good cultural attractions, great food, and good economic policies, great public transit, an airline with pretty and friendly flight attendants, and a top rated airport. They manage this despite having a diverse culture represented by 4 religions and with large populations of Chinese, Malaysm Indians, British, and Thais. We could learn a lot from them.

They're an authoritarian hellhole using glitz and glamor to cover up their barbaric human rights record. They're no better than Dubai.

What human rights issues? Not encouraging gay relationships? Not allowing illegal immigration? Caning punks that deserve to get spanked? Winning the war on drugs by executing drug traffickers? Having clean streets, a great economy, letting people work for the wages they choose to, having the best food in the world, having nice public transit and an airport ranked #1 or 2 year after year, having a healthy and attractive population? Having great museums, gardens, and 4 cultures in a small area? Ranking low on perceived corruption indexes? Not being involved in unnecessary foreign wars? Are these the human rights abuses you are talking about?

If so, maybe the USA and Europe could use more human rights abuses.

[Wikkiwallana]

So much for the whole New Colossus thing, ya know this:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[from the sonnet at the Statue of Liberty]

We have enough people and we can be picky these days.

No more immigrants from bad nations either. We should have a 'bad nation list' and nobody from this list would get work/study permits.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'bad nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

1. The idea of a bad nation list that automatically excludes people who want to get away from what makes that nation bad has been torn to shreds over and over again on this board.
2. You are a sucky poet.

[Agymnum]

Too bad you have no say in the matter.

It is too bad because I could turn around the USA quickly if I had full dictator powers. We would have a Singapore levels of crime, higher economic freedoms, lower debt, lower taxes, a smaller but smarter and wealthier population (through a soft eugenics policy), and very low rates of religious terrorism. Europeans would be begging to be allowed to move to the USA (once they have their civil war in the near future). Sadly, only a few would be allowed in (based on their political and religious views).

Oh well, we can be an open door to the "wretched refuse " of the world. That saying is truer today than ever.

Singapore has a more intelligent idea about this:

http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refdaily?pass=463ef21123&date=2009-03-25&cat=Asia/Pacific

Singapore cannot accept Rohingya refugees: minister
Publisher: AFP, Agence France Presse
Story date: 24/03/2009

SINGAPORE, March 24, 2009 (AFP) –

Singapore cannot accept Rohingya refugees should they attempt to land but would help them depart for another country, a senior government official said Tuesday.

"Given our limited land and natural resources, Singapore is not in a position to accept persons seeking political asylum or refugee status," said senior minister of state for foreign affairs Balaji Sadasivan.

Why can't the USA say this? We should follow Singapore's lead. The USA won't likely lose Singapore's respect if they enact such a policy. The country isn't perfect but they sure have less crime, lower obesity rates, clean streets, good cultural attractions, great food, and good economic policies, great public transit, an airline with pretty and friendly flight attendants, and a top rated airport. They manage this despite having a diverse culture represented by 4 religions and with large populations of Chinese, Malaysm Indians, British, and Thais. We could learn a lot from them.

Only children think they would be good dictators. That's why most of the dictators in the world today act like children.

When you're ready to be an adult and embrace democracy, come talk to us.

[Wikkiwallana]

real rape

Congrats, you've just made me sicker than the stomach virus I've had all week. Considering all the vomiting I've been through, that's an accomplishment.

[Desperate Measures]

I wasn't saying the Qur'an doesn't have nasty stuff in it, just that the interpretation of suicide bombing being acceptable because it's martyrdom is strongly rejected by most Muslims.

As for places with Muslims living in peace with non-Muslims, Canada and the state of Illinois.



They're an authoritarian hellhole using glitz and glamor to cover up their barbaric human rights record. They're no better than Dubai.

What human rights issues? Not encouraging gay relationships? Not allowing illegal immigration? Caning punks that deserve to get spanked? Winning the war on drugs by executing drug traffickers? Having clean streets, a great economy, letting people work for the wages they choose to, having the best food in the world, having nice public transit and an airport ranked #1 or 2 year after year, having a healthy and attractive population? Having great museums, gardens, and 4 cultures in a small area? Ranking low on perceived corruption indexes? Not being involved in unnecessary foreign wars? Are these the human rights abuses you are talking about?

If so, maybe the USA and Europe could use more human rights abuses.

A new game should be to find something you're not wrong about.

[Agymnum]

What human rights issues? Not encouraging gay relationships? Not allowing illegal immigration? Caning punks that deserve to get spanked? Winning the war on drugs by executing drug traffickers? Having clean streets, a great economy, letting people work for the wages they choose to, having the best food in the world, having nice public transit and an airport ranked #1 or 2 year after year, having a healthy and attractive population? Having great museums, gardens, and 4 cultures in a small area? Ranking low on perceived corruption indexes? Not being involved in unnecessary foreign wars? Are these the human rights abuses you are talking about?

If so, maybe the USA and Europe could use more human rights abuses.

A new game should be to find something you're not wrong about.

How about a game where we figure out which dictator he'd be closest to if we put him in charge of a nation?

Right now I'm split between Mussolini and Stalin. He seems less extreme than Stalin but more impotent than Mussolini.

[Wikkiwallana]

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Know the difference.

Fixed that for you.

[Freiheit Reich]

real rape

Congrats, you've just made me sicker than the stomach virus I've had all week. Considering all the vomiting I've been through, that's an accomplishment.

Consensual sex with a 16 year old is called rape in some states (even if the man is 18).

This is not real rape in my opinion (sadly, I don't make the laws).

Real rape is forced sex or sex with a girl that can't make a decision like this (below 13 is definitely too young, 13-15 is dicey but if the man is within 3 years it should not be considered rape).

[Dejanic]

Considering White Nationalists wouldn't give non racists freedom of speech under their ideal system, and they certainly wouldn't give non whites and Jews freedom to live within "White Nations", I have absolutely no moral problem with restricting White Nationalists freedom of speech.

You don't beat someone by stooping to their level. That's childish.

It's effective, not childish. Sorry, but I don't believe that individuals who straight up advocate mass racial deportations, and murder/genocide deserve "free speech". I do apologise that I don't cater to your idealistic liberal democratic dream, but if my belief that individuals who promote racial and ideological genocide don't deserve the right to spread there sick views makes me childish, or undemocratic, or whatever you want to call me, then fine, I'm childish, bite me.

Ps: And by the way, I'm definetly not stooping to their level. Under a white nationalist system, a Communist and a race mixer like myself would be locked up, probably sterlilized, and either deported or killed, under my system, I'd hope a white nationalist would be given therapy and made to clean the streets for a few weeks.

[Wikkiwallana]

I qualify for welfare, am unemployed, and am one of them darned liberals hell bent on destroying 'Murica; should I also be booted out, no questions asked? I'm a citizen of course, but I otherwise meet the standards you list.

Well, that's for 'Muricans to decide, not me. I don't live in the States so their immigration policies don't hold much importance to me other than as a negative example.

Already being a citizen entitles you to some slack, such as welfare, right of residence and being (temporarily) unemployed. That's kind of the purpose of citizenship to start with.

Simply put, a nation will always have it's own troublesome citizens (criminals, welfare leeches, annoying liberals and also ordinary folks simply fallen on hard times) to deal with - it's just irresponsible to make things any harder by accepting foreign troublemakers and extending the same privileges as citizens to them.

That speaks volumes about you and your beliefs. Not one word of it good.