White supremacy

[Nazi Flower Power]

The notion that any race is better than an other is stupid and ridiculous. Race doesn't matter. You're either American, or not.

The notion that it matters if you're American or not is pretty stupid and ridiculous.

[Pastafarian]

Every citizen has the right to freedom of speech.

[Ktanval]

Every citizen has the right to freedom of speech.

[Freiheit Reich]

Germany was a highly developed superpower back then and the violence within Germany was mostly directed at political dissidents and certain religious groups. The enemy came to Germany and made it a broken nation. It was pretty organized and functional before war was declared against it.

Somalia does not have the well organized govt. that Germany had back then. A totalitarian police state is not good but Germany back then was more organized and controlled than Somalia today.

Also, what religion do they belong to? Jews are safer than Muslims. In the past 500 years (probably even much furthur) I have not read about many Jewish takeovers of nations or mass attacks against non-believers.

Also, Ashkenazi Jews scored better than Africans in IQ tests. Unsure about other Jews but I know Europeans did much better than Africans as well.

Yeah, put the Jews in refugee camps. If they are educated and/or wealthy than let them stay in the USA (perhaps intellience tests can be given in their native language if they lack a degree). The smarter ones can get the work permits and a 7 year trial period before citizenship. The ones that have mental problems and/or score poorly might be shipped back when the war ends.

So much for the whole New Colossus thing, ya know this:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[from the sonnet at the Statue of Liberty]

We have enough people and we can be picky these days.

No more immigrants from bad nations either. We should have a 'bad nation list' and nobody from this list would get work/study permits.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'bad nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

[Pillea]

So much for the whole New Colossus thing, ya know this:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[from the sonnet at the Statue of Liberty]

We have enough people and we can be picky these days.

No more immigrants from bad nations either. We should have a 'bad nation list' and nobody from this list would get work/study permits.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'bad nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

Yeah, that doesn't quite fit the requirements for sonnets, so apparently, you're not in the educated department and have no business in this country.

[Freiheit Reich]

Open-door immigration might have worked in a time when the average European was an illiterate peasant from a war-torn or otherwise unpleasant country, which would describe most places of the world at that time. Today things are different.

When you have highly-educated, cultured, law-abiding, tolerant and peaceful citizens who for most part haven't seen real violence outside TV (in harsher words - cowardly punk-ass whimps) on one side, and you throw in a bunch of illiterate, lawless and very violent folks with no concept of tolerance and accustomed to all sorts of warfare and violence on a casual basis (in harsher words - barbarous savages) on the other, it doesn't take much imagination to figure out who is going to own who, especially if the violent folks breed and migrate at alarming rates that considerably exceed the peaceful folks' reproductive rate. This wasn't a problem in a time when 90% of the human population were barely (if at all) literate, accustomed to casual violence to some degree, had no qualms about using it against those they disagreed with, preferred to solve their own problems rather than rely on authorities (which most often simply weren't there anyway) and all shagged like rabbits with most of their kids dying off in childhood anyway.

So I agree that anyone who is obviously incapable or unwilling to integrate or preferably assimilate in his host nation should be booted out, no questions asked. Who qualifies as incapable or unwilling is pretty evident when you compare various first-gen immigrant groups of whom some quickly set their lives straight and become productive members of community, while others only contribute to unemployment, welfare expense and violent crime statistics while displacing natives with their simple presence and the habit of bringing along their extended families.

I qualify for welfare, am unemployed, and am one of them darned liberals hell bent on destroying 'Murica; should I also be booted out, no questions asked? I'm a citizen of course, but I otherwise meet the standards you list.

Citizens are harder to kick out. What religion are you? This matters. Also, did you commit any violent acts? If you have been convicted of real rape than I wouldn't mind kicking you out. Who would want you though? If you believe women that are raped should be punished for committing adultery or that believers of a religion other than your own should convert or die than I would say you have the right to your opinions (free speech) but the USA should deport you to a nation that accepts you if you asked. It would be tax dollars well spent.

A person that is poor and violent is tough to kick out because nobody would take them. If Somalia has no immigration rules than you could go there. Maybe Liberia as well, we started the nation with volunteers wanting to leave the USA and they could do us the favor today by taking our rejects.

[Pillea]

I qualify for welfare, am unemployed, and am one of them darned liberals hell bent on destroying 'Murica; should I also be booted out, no questions asked? I'm a citizen of course, but I otherwise meet the standards you list.

Citizens are harder to kick out. What religion are you? This matters. Also, did you commit any violent acts? If you have been convicted of real rape than I wouldn't mind kicking you out. Who would want you though? If you believe women that are raped should be punished for committing adultery or that believers of a religion other than your own should convert or die than I would say you have the right to your opinions (free speech) but the USA should deport you to a nation that accepts you if you asked. It would be tax dollars well spent.

A person that is poor and violent is tough to kick out because nobody would take them. If Somalia has no immigration rules than you could go there. Maybe Liberia as well, we started the nation with volunteers wanting to leave the USA and they could do us the favor today by taking our rejects.

This... is laughable, judging someone as able to stay or not based on religious belief would violate the Constitution.
And I'm one of those people who don't believe in the floating sky people if it truly matters to you. I've been stabbed, never stabbed anyone. And my signature alone should hint at my stance on rape. So tell me, should I be awaiting my government paid-for plane ticket to somewhere else?

[Freiheit Reich]

We have enough people and we can be picky these days.

No more immigrants from bad nations either. We should have a 'bad nation list' and nobody from this list would get work/study permits.

The new poem should read: "Give me your educated, your rich, your higher classes yearning to breath free, the wanted people of your teeming shore (so long as this shore is not on the national 'bad nation list') send these, the ambitious, to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door and to all else NO VACANCY."

Yeah, that doesn't quite fit the requirements for sonnets, so apparently, you're not in the educated department and have no business in this country.

OK, I will make it sound nicer and simplified:

"Give me your educated, your rich,
Your higher classes yearning to breath free,
The wanted people of your teeming shore.
Send these, the ambitious, toss them to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

I hope you enjoyed the poem. I give you permission to use my poem for commercial purposes as long as you don't take credit for writing it. Share it with your friends if you want

[Kaizakhstan]

Here's a quick reminder that Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are "superior" to Whites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_i ... est_scores

IS being a white sumpremist wrong Or is it free speech ( Us only) Express your opinion.
I think it wrong because there is no pure people any more. So white supremacy seems wrong.

It's okay to be supportive of your own people, as it is ok to support your family, country, and whatever else you feel like supporting, and if you feel it's wrong, that's your opinion.

You don't have to be a supremacist to be supportive of your race. That's what the "Anti-Racist" crowd wants you to believe.

Know the difference.

[Sidhae]

Open-door immigration might have worked in a time when the average European was an illiterate peasant from a war-torn or otherwise unpleasant country, which would describe most places of the world at that time. Today things are different.

When you have highly-educated, cultured, law-abiding, tolerant and peaceful citizens who for most part haven't seen real violence outside TV (in harsher words - cowardly punk-ass whimps) on one side, and you throw in a bunch of illiterate, lawless and very violent folks with no concept of tolerance and accustomed to all sorts of warfare and violence on a casual basis (in harsher words - barbarous savages) on the other, it doesn't take much imagination to figure out who is going to own who, especially if the violent folks breed and migrate at alarming rates that considerably exceed the peaceful folks' reproductive rate. This wasn't a problem in a time when 90% of the human population were barely (if at all) literate, accustomed to casual violence to some degree, had no qualms about using it against those they disagreed with, preferred to solve their own problems rather than rely on authorities (which most often simply weren't there anyway) and all shagged like rabbits with most of their kids dying off in childhood anyway.

So I agree that anyone who is obviously incapable or unwilling to integrate or preferably assimilate in his host nation should be booted out, no questions asked. Who qualifies as incapable or unwilling is pretty evident when you compare various first-gen immigrant groups of whom some quickly set their lives straight and become productive members of community, while others only contribute to unemployment, welfare expense and violent crime statistics while displacing natives with their simple presence and the habit of bringing along their extended families.

I qualify for welfare, am unemployed, and am one of them darned liberals hell bent on destroying 'Murica; should I also be booted out, no questions asked? I'm a citizen of course, but I otherwise meet the standards you list.

Well, that's for 'Muricans to decide, not me. I don't live in the States so their immigration policies don't hold much importance to me other than as a negative example.

Already being a citizen entitles you to some slack, such as welfare, right of residence and being (temporarily) unemployed. That's kind of the purpose of citizenship to start with.

Simply put, a nation will always have it's own troublesome citizens (criminals, welfare leeches, annoying liberals and also ordinary folks simply fallen on hard times) to deal with - it's just irresponsible to make things any harder by accepting foreign troublemakers and extending the same privileges as citizens to them.

[Restaured France]

i'm going to ask a question to the main debatters of this thread. Just so i can see the mainstream point.
1. Does white supremacy is morally as condemnable as black supremacy or Asian supremacy. Are they equally, Okay or bad ?
2. Is there is more racism in certain racial or religious communities than in other.
3. What the difference between, racism and xenophobia, or is it's more or less the same thing ?
4. Can you quote country which does restrict full citizenship based on religion, ethnicity/race ?
5. Can you quote 5 multicultural and/or multiracial state which had with not sort of ethno-cultural or religious conflict for the past 10 years. We could call this a sucessful melting pot ?

[Freiheit Reich]

Citizens are harder to kick out. What religion are you? This matters. Also, did you commit any violent acts? If you have been convicted of real rape than I wouldn't mind kicking you out. Who would want you though? If you believe women that are raped should be punished for committing adultery or that believers of a religion other than your own should convert or die than I would say you have the right to your opinions (free speech) but the USA should deport you to a nation that accepts you if you asked. It would be tax dollars well spent.

A person that is poor and violent is tough to kick out because nobody would take them. If Somalia has no immigration rules than you could go there. Maybe Liberia as well, we started the nation with volunteers wanting to leave the USA and they could do us the favor today by taking our rejects.

This... is laughable, judging someone as able to stay or not based on religious belief would violate the Constitution.
And I'm one of those people who don't believe in the floating sky people if it truly matters to you. I've been stabbed, never stabbed anyone. And my signature alone should hint at my stance on rape. So tell me, should I be awaiting my government paid-for plane ticket to somewhere else?

Only if you want it. We can't deport citizens by force. We could let them leave voluntarily. The ticket is not free, you must exchange your passport. Perhaps you pay upfront and you get reimbursed when you return your passport.

You are not violent and did not commit rape. Welfare recipients are not to blame, they are practicing the 'virtue of selfishness' because the govt. encourages this. Why not take 'free money' if you can. I don't hate welfare folks, they are smarter than me in some ways. They can chill and get paid while I have to work for my money. I hate the govt. that encourages and allows this to happen.

[Pillea]

This... is laughable, judging someone as able to stay or not based on religious belief would violate the Constitution.
And I'm one of those people who don't believe in the floating sky people if it truly matters to you. I've been stabbed, never stabbed anyone. And my signature alone should hint at my stance on rape. So tell me, should I be awaiting my government paid-for plane ticket to somewhere else?

Only if you want it. We can't deport citizens by force. We could let them leave voluntarily. The ticket is not free, you must exchange your passport. Perhaps you pay upfront and you get reimbursed when you return your passport.

You are not violent and did not commit rape. Welfare recipients are not to blame, they are practicing the 'virtue of selfishness' because the govt. encourages this. Why not take 'free money' if you can. I don't hate welfare folks, they are smarter than me in some ways. They can chill and get paid while I have to work for my money. I hate the govt. that encourages and allows this to happen.

Based purely on your view of the world, they are indeed smarter than you. So are most people.

[Sidhae]

i'm going to ask a question to the main debatters of this thread. Just so i can see the mainstream point.
1. Does white supremacy is morally as condemnable as black supremacy or Asian supremacy. Are they equally, Okay or bad ?
2. Is there is more racism in certain racial or religious communities than in other.
3. What the difference between, racism and xenophobia, or is it's more or less the same thing ?
4. Can you quote country which does restrict full citizenship based on religion, ethnicity/race ?
5. Can you quote 5 multicultural and/or multiracial state which had with not sort of ethno-cultural or religious conflict for the past 10 years. We could call this a sucessful melting pot ?

1. No, and I don't see anything wrong with supremacist sentiments as long as it doesn't lead to violent excess.
2. Obviously. Muslim communities in Europe, for example, could be described as extremely racist and religiously intolerant. Same can be said about Jews, East Asians, and ironically, White liberals. Few people do, in fact, express so much subtle racism as White liberals, who assume their views on culture and ethnicity (which are by definition Eurocentric) are the only valid and acceptable ones.
3. Racism is a strong apathy towards a particular racial group. Xenophobia is a general feeling of suspicion and dislike towards foreigners, although these two things may indeed overlap.
4. Israel, Malaysia, all the little Arab oil states (UAE, Brunei, etc.) to name a few. They all require a potential citizen to be related by blood and/or by creed to the native majority, and citizenship requirements for an outsider are very strict, citizenship otherwise issued only on special conditions.
5. None. Those that are have similar, not drastically different, cultures coexisting in them for centuries. Exceptions could be those nations which have had no historical native majority and have no ethnic/racial majority to this day, such as Singapore.

[Freiheit Reich]

Only if you want it. We can't deport citizens by force. We could let them leave voluntarily. The ticket is not free, you must exchange your passport. Perhaps you pay upfront and you get reimbursed when you return your passport.

You are not violent and did not commit rape. Welfare recipients are not to blame, they are practicing the 'virtue of selfishness' because the govt. encourages this. Why not take 'free money' if you can. I don't hate welfare folks, they are smarter than me in some ways. They can chill and get paid while I have to work for my money. I hate the govt. that encourages and allows this to happen.

Based purely on your view of the world, they are indeed smarter than you. So are most people.

I was tested and have an IQ of 104. Not great but fits within the average range according to 'The Bell Curve', I graduated from university with a GPA of over 3.5, I had a 12th grade reading level when I was in 7th grade, and I passed classes such as survey of calculus, college algebra, plenty of business classes (which were my highest scores), etc. I also tutored students in intermediate algebra, accounting, computer, and business classes while attending university. Does this imply stupidity?

The IQ alone makes me smarter than average although the average Asian an Ashkenazi Jew is smarter than me.

Still, I am dumb in some areas such as aviation or speaking French. We all have our good and bad skills.

I have different views than you but I have backed them up with plenty of sources for you to browse through. A co-worker told me about 'The Bell Curve' because I questioned his views on race. He provided data to back up his views (unlike many people that are biased). It helps prove your point besides just empty slogans.

I am not a white pride person. Plenty of white people to be ashamed of like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Nancy Pelosi, Bush, Obama, etc. Besides, we rate below East Asians. I just think we need smart immigration policies that exclude nations with high rates of violence and poverty.

[Restaured France]

i'm going to ask a question to the main debatters of this thread. Just so i can see the mainstream point.
1. Does white supremacy is morally as condemnable as black supremacy or Asian supremacy. Are they equally, Okay or bad ?
2. Is there is more racism in certain racial or religious communities than in other.
3. What the difference between, racism and xenophobia, or is it's more or less the same thing ?
4. Can you quote country which does restrict full citizenship based on religion, ethnicity/race ?
5. Can you quote 5 multicultural and/or multiracial state which had with not sort of ethno-cultural or religious conflict for the past 10 years. We could call this a sucessful melting pot ?

1. No, and I don't see anything wrong with supremacist sentiments as long as it doesn't lead to violent excess.
2. Obviously. Muslim communities in Europe, for example, could be described as extremely racist and religiously intolerant. Same can be said about Jews, East Asians, and ironically, White liberals. Few people do, in fact, express so much subtle racism as White liberals, who assume their views on culture and ethnicity (which are by definition Eurocentric) are the only valid and acceptable ones.
3. Racism is a strong apathy towards a particular racial group. Xenophobia is a general feeling of suspicion and dislike towards foreigners, although these two things may indeed overlap.
4. Israel, Malaysia, all the little Arab oil states (UAE, Brunei, etc.) to name a few. They all require a potential citizen to be related by blood and/or by creed to the native majority, and citizenship requirements for an outsider are very strict, citizenship otherwise issued only on special conditions.
5. None. Those that are have similar, not drastically different, cultures coexisting in them for centuries. Exceptions could be those nations which have had no historical native majority and have no ethnic/racial majority to this day, such as Singapore.

Thanks, i will see what the other people think and see we can have a constructive debate about the supremacist and why it's part of the society

[Hyperboreus]

IS being a white sumpremist wrong Or is it free speech ( Us only) Express your opinion.
I think it wrong because there is no pure people any more. So white supremacy seems wrong.

Can't it be both?

Free speech means that you have the right to be wrong and offensive. If people only believed and said things that were right and friendly, we wouldn't need a right to free speech.

[Pillea]

I just think we need smart immigration policies that exclude nations with high rates of violence and poverty.

Doesn't the United States itself fall into that category?

[Freiheit Reich]

I just think we need smart immigration policies that exclude nations with high rates of violence and poverty.

Not poor:

Doesn't the United States itself fall into that category?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... y_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD

Average violence (harder to find good data though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

[Distruzio]

I just think we need smart immigration policies that exclude nations with high rates of violence and poverty.

Doesn't the United States itself fall into that category?

Afghanistan casualties. In 2012 it was 405.

Chicago had 532.

[Meryuma]

How can you expect a group that feels threatened to integrate if its opinions aren't considered?

Ask the Native Americans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/white-privilege-class-at-_n_2489997.html

Saying a group is privileged isn't saying members of that group are evil.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/018-suicide-bombing.htm

So basically Islamophobes are taking Al-Qaeda's interpretation of Islam as the proper one just because it makes Muslims look worse.

[Restaured France]

So basically Islamophobes are taking Al-Qaeda's interpretation of Islam as the proper one just because it makes Muslims look worse.

"Islamophobe" didn't created the islamic creed, not did they changed a it's core book to include several hundred time the word "Fight" "Death" Mainly adressed to unbelievers and other religions.
While religious diversity vary from state to state, every single country with a muslim minority face militant islam at some points. Please quote us a country where a muslim minority (5%+) live in peace with the rest since 10 years.

[Tekania]

IS being a white sumpremist wrong Or is it free speech ( Us only) Express your opinion.
I think it wrong because there is no pure people any more. So white supremacy seems wrong.

Not really an "or" question.... I think it is wrong, and it is free speech.

[Tekania]

It's wrong and it is protected by free speech.

but the violence has to stop and yes its protected by free speech

Well yes.... should a white supremacist be saying "blacks are inferior" while beating a black person to death with a baseball bat; it will not be for the verbiage that I will be advocating his arrest and trial.

[Restaured France]

but the violence has to stop and yes its protected by free speech

Well yes.... should a white supremacist be saying "blacks are inferior" while beating a black person to death with a baseball bat; it will not be for the verbiage that I will be advocating his arrest and trial.

And judge and put to jail for "racist" crime. Of course.

Will a white being beaten to death by a black will got the same sentence and the exact same trial ?