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Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

YES execute all members
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YES Imprison all members
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YES outlaw the formation of communist party's
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NO keep the status quo
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:52 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
CTALNH wrote:But by him thats the building block for democracy.

God damned English.

If you have trouble posting in English firsthand, maybe try typing what you want to say in Greek into Google translate or something similar and translate it to English then copy and paste it here. Would help us understand your posts more.

Are you kidding me thats even worse google translate can't translate Greek for shit.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:53 am

CTALNH wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:If you have trouble posting in English firsthand, maybe try typing what you want to say in Greek into Google translate or something similar and translate it to English then copy and paste it here. Would help us understand your posts more.

Are you kidding me thats even worse google translate can't translate Greek for shit.

Well okay then, have you got anything similar you can use? if not then sorry, just try your best then.
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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:53 am

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Individual wrote:Every individual takes responsibility in his actions, as there will always be consequences.


If recent history teaches us anything, is that being called a "freedom fighter" is a great "do the fuck you want for free card". :D

To me, that is egoism, actually.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:54 am

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Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
That isn't a sentence.

But by him thats the building block for democracy.

God damned English.


No, the building block for democracy is rule of the majority without oppression of the minority.

Which, going back to the actual topic, is why I am completely against banning political ideologies, or any ideologies for that matter. Because to do so would be oppressing a minority.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:31 am

Death Metal wrote:
CTALNH wrote:But by him thats the building block for democracy.

God damned English.


No, the building block for democracy is rule of the majority without oppression of the minority.

Which, going back to the actual topic, is why I am completely against banning political ideologies, or any ideologies for that matter. Because to do so would be oppressing a minority.

Well certainly not the Greek Athenian conception....
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Postby Yue-Laou » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:44 am

Death Metal wrote:
CTALNH wrote:But by him thats the building block for democracy.

God damned English.


No, the building block for democracy is rule of the majority without oppression of the minority.

Which, going back to the actual topic, is why I am completely against banning political ideologies, or any ideologies for that matter. Because to do so would be oppressing a minority.

To do so would be protecting minorities.
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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:51 am

CTALNH wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
No, the building block for democracy is rule of the majority without oppression of the minority.

Which, going back to the actual topic, is why I am completely against banning political ideologies, or any ideologies for that matter. Because to do so would be oppressing a minority.

Well certainly not the Greek Athenian conception....

Maybe the Greek Athenian conception is outdated?
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Postby Distruzio » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:52 am

Such an action would kind of contradict the said purposes of democratic governance... of course, democracists usually have few qualms about such actions in practice.

Frisivisia wrote:Nope, freedom of speech and assembly are basic tenets of liberty.


Liberty is not actually synonymous with democracy.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:52 am

Yue-Laou wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
No, the building block for democracy is rule of the majority without oppression of the minority.

Which, going back to the actual topic, is why I am completely against banning political ideologies, or any ideologies for that matter. Because to do so would be oppressing a minority.

To do so would be protecting minorities.


Ah yes, because nothing says protecting minorities like throwing them in prison for the crime of being minorities. I guess the Japanese Internment Camps was to make the Japanese-Americans safer too?
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Postby Trotskylvania » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:57 am

I guess communists are the one people you can suggest murdering or sending to mental institutions en masse on this forum and not get a visit from the mods.

Yup, this place is totally a left-wing echo-chamber :roll:
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:00 am

Trotskylvania wrote:I guess communists are the one people you can suggest murdering or sending to mental institutions en masse on this forum and not get a visit from the mods.

Yup, this place is totally a left-wing echo-chamber :roll:


Obviously there's such an inherent left-wing bias that the mods have been forced to ignore the calls for all communists to be regarded as mentally ill and locked up and/or killed lest their left-wing bias be confirmed. If they actually warned people for, you know, inciting crimes against leftists or demanding that all leftists be treated as mentally ill and given "therapy", then their status as a left-wing clique would become apparent.
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Postby Choronzon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:03 am

Trotskylvania wrote:I guess communists are the one people you can suggest murdering or sending to mental institutions en masse on this forum and not get a visit from the mods.

Yup, this place is totally a left-wing echo-chamber :roll:

Nah, you can say that shit about trans people too.

But NSG is "safe."

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Postby Medai » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:03 am

In a democracy, you can't legally ban a political party unless the party is breaking laws.
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Postby Crumlark » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:05 am

Imperiatom wrote:Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west is the question, and if so how tough?
I am interested to find out what the members of nation states feel about this. As if the communists ever took power i doubt we could use this site as we do presently. The outlawing of other political party's would i believe occur, swiftly followed by the repression of free speech and expression. Given that the attitude of the communists is my way or the highway( Road of bones- for those who don't understand my pun) should we tolerate them or should we crack down on them as Germany does for example on Nazi ideology.

I am torn between Keeping the status quo or outlawing the party.


EDIT: I went for the quo because i decided that thankfully communism is irrelevant in the modern world.

Unfortunately for you, you have been DREADFULLY misinformed. What you have described is Stalinism, a horribly misshapen type of government that has little to actually do with actual Communism. Communism as a whole is ideal, but there have yet to have been an ideal leader for this situation to occur.
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Postby Choronzon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:13 am

Medai wrote:In a democracy, you can't legally ban a political party unless the party is breaking laws.

Except there are democracies who do.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:15 am

Trotskylvania wrote:I guess communists are the one people you can suggest murdering or sending to mental institutions en masse on this forum and not get a visit from the mods.

Yup, this place is totally a left-wing echo-chamber :roll:


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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:38 am

Choronzon wrote:
Medai wrote:In a democracy, you can't legally ban a political party unless the party is breaking laws.

Except there are democracies who do.

Illiberal ones, yes.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:56 am

Choronzon wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:I guess communists are the one people you can suggest murdering or sending to mental institutions en masse on this forum and not get a visit from the mods.

Yup, this place is totally a left-wing echo-chamber :roll:

Nah, you can say that shit about trans people too.

But NSG is "safe."


Don't forget that time when CTALNH said I should be raped and never got warned for it!




FCC too IIRC.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:57 am

Individual wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Except there are democracies who do.

Illiberal ones, yes.


Doesn't make them not a democracy though.

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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:00 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Individual wrote:Illiberal ones, yes.


Doesn't make them not a democracy though.

An illiberal democracy being just a limited or partial democracy, course not. It is a disgrace either way.
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:10 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.


Well he killed most of them in Russia so I don't see why that would be a problem for him.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:18 am

Only if you hate everything democracy stands for.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:41 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Nah, you can say that shit about trans people too.

But NSG is "safe."


Don't forget that time when CTALNH said I should be raped and never got warned for it!




FCC too IIRC.

Wait what are you Romanov?

If not no I did not say you should get raped in any sense of the word.

If yes bend over...
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Postby New Chalcedon » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:17 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Medai wrote:In a democracy, you can't legally ban a political party unless the party is breaking laws.

Except there are democracies who do.


They're generally called "illiberal democracies", or "semi-democracies".

Not even at the height of the Cold War was the CPUSA banned outright.
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Postby Gaveo » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:23 pm

No, because if democracy "got tough" on Communism (or any ideology for that matter) it wouldn't be a democracy.
Bruh.

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