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Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

YES execute all members
34
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YES Imprison all members
5
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YES outlaw the formation of communist party's
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NO keep the status quo
370
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:52 am

Sibirsky wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Your not your country and part of what you believe in?

What filthy things are they teaching you in your schools?

:palm:

No we are not our countries. When people greet me, they do not call me Mr. United States.

Your mean your not part of your country?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:52 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Careful, CTALNH, you're starting to sound like a bourgeois nationalist.

That tends to happen when your home country was raped for over 400 years....


But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

CTALNH wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:

No we are not our countries. When people greet me, they do not call me Mr. United States.

Your mean your not part of your country?


Countries are constructs.
Last edited by Of the Free Socialist Territories on Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:53 am

CTALNH wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:

No we are not our countries. When people greet me, they do not call me Mr. United States.

Your mean your not part of your country?


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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:53 am

CTALNH wrote:
Sibirsky wrote: :palm:

No we are not our countries. When people greet me, they do not call me Mr. United States.

Your mean your not part of your country?

No, I am not part of any country.
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Postby Hippostania » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:53 am

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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:54 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CTALNH wrote:That tends to happen when your home country was raped for over 400 years....


But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:54 am

Death Metal wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Your mean your not part of your country?


:palm:

:)
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:54 am

Sibirsky wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Your mean your not part of your country?

No, I am not part of any country.

You live in Somalia?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:54 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.


Sounds just like something Stalin would do, to be honest.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:55 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.


Well, yes. It's probably something he wouldn't have baulked at doing.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:56 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CTALNH wrote:That tends to happen when your home country was raped for over 400 years....


But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

CTALNH wrote:Your mean your not part of your country?


Countries are constructs.

Poland is a construct when people with actual history and real traditions those are real countries.

Us per Stalins view.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:57 am

CTALNH wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:No, I am not part of any country.

You live in Somalia?

That is why, when I addressed your idiocy the first time, I referred to myself as Mr. United States.

I am not part of a political landmass, no. I am a human being.
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Postby Hippostania » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:57 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
CTALNH wrote:No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.


Sounds just like something Stalin would do, to be honest.

Well, he did the same to Finnish communists. Tens of thousands of them fled into the Soviet Union after the Reds lost the Finnish Civil War.

By the late 30's, most of them were dead.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:57 am

Herrebrugh wrote:
CTALNH wrote:No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.


Sounds just like something Stalin would do, to be honest.

Are you lying to yourselves because I call bullshit...
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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:57 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.

No he wouldn't for that matter thats the official opinion of KKE.

That means he would have to shoot all of the communists in Greece.

He didn't do so in the Soviet Union already?
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:57 am

Define a communist party.
I myself am a revolutionary (revisionist) socialist that could be labelled as a marxist, although I am apathetic in religion, and not exactly an advocate of some Leninist philosophies.
Commnuists are those who wish to achieve marx's dream, at least from my experience. As a hard-leftie, I'd say ban Stalinist parties, but Trotskyists and Maoists may remain in existence. They at least have the means to stand for election and not be compared to fascism.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:58 am

Sibirsky wrote:
CTALNH wrote:You live in Somalia?

That is why, when I addressed your idiocy the first time, I referred to myself as Mr. United States.

I am not part of a political landmass, no. I am a human being.

By that notion if you read Thucydides he would call you too a Malakas.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:58 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
But the "dear leader" Comrade Stalin would have had you shot, along with tens of thousands and Poles and many members of other nationalities, for your dangerous and counter-revolutionary traitorous views.



Countries are constructs.

Poland is a construct when people with actual history and real traditions those are real countries.


Therefore Poland is a country.

Unless you're now going to try and tell me that Polish history doesn't exist, which would be staggeringly ignorant.

CTALNH wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Sounds just like something Stalin would do, to be honest.

Are you lying to yourselves because I call bullshit...


Most of the Polish "communists" ended up being a bit shot.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:59 am

Hippostania wrote:
Herrebrugh wrote:
Sounds just like something Stalin would do, to be honest.

Well, he did the same to Finnish communists. Tens of thousands of them fled into the Soviet Union after the Reds lost the Finnish Civil War.

By the late 30's, most of them were dead.


Thanks for the confirmation :)
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Postby Risottia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:59 am

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Cool! As oppressed political minority, now, I guess I get to blow up random people and shit and be called a freedom fighter.

I like it.

*tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick...*

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:00 am

CTALNH wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:No, I am not part of any country.

You live in Somalia?


No, he lives in the United States. That doesn't mean he's a representative of the United States, nor does it mean that the United States is representative of him.

How is that so fucking hard to understand?

Or: Since when was the United States a 350-million-piece Megazord?
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:00 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Poland is a construct when people with actual history and real traditions those are real countries.


Therefore Poland is a country.

Unless you're now going to try and tell me that Polish history doesn't exist, which would be staggeringly ignorant.

CTALNH wrote:Are you lying to yourselves because I call bullshit...


Most of the Polish "communists" ended up being a bit shot.

Exist what 400 years?

I only remember the Polish Lithuanian kingdom and thats that.
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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:01 am

Sibirsky wrote:
CTALNH wrote:You live in Somalia?

That is why, when I addressed your idiocy the first time, I referred to myself as Mr. United States.

I am not part of a political landmass, no. I am a human being.

Remember, in Soviet Greece, individuality is obsolete.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:02 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Poland is a construct when people with actual history and real traditions those are real countries.


Therefore Poland is a country.

Unless you're now going to try and tell me that Polish history doesn't exist, which would be staggeringly ignorant.

CTALNH wrote:Are you lying to yourselves because I call bullshit...


Most of the Polish "communists" ended up being a bit shot.

Most of the polish communists where never communists to begin with they where the next best thing because of the lack of actual communists.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:02 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Therefore Poland is a country.

Unless you're now going to try and tell me that Polish history doesn't exist, which would be staggeringly ignorant.



Most of the Polish "communists" ended up being a bit shot.

Exist what 400 years?

I only remember the Polish Lithuanian kingdom and thats that.


So when Greece was occupied by the Ottomans, Greek people didn't exist, they were just deluded.

Thanks for that confirmation. You're a bourgeois nationalist. The Lubiyanka basement is the third door on the right.

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Therefore Poland is a country.

Unless you're now going to try and tell me that Polish history doesn't exist, which would be staggeringly ignorant.



Most of the Polish "communists" ended up being a bit shot.

Most of the polish communists where never communists to begin with


So they were Stalinists?

they where the next best thing because of the lack of actual communists.


That, presumably, being socialists, because the next best thing to communism is socialism, with Stalinism being way back down the list.
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