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Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

YES execute all members
34
8%
YES Imprison all members
5
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YES outlaw the formation of communist party's
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7%
NO keep the status quo
370
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:28 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Individual wrote: :palm: If he says that let private people keep their private businesses as they see fit and wants the government to be non-discriminatory, I fail to see how Hippo hates minorities.

I miss Rhodesia.

It's actually because of the primitve and undeveloped nature of their culture and decolonization. If Africa would still be colonized, shit like this wouldn't be happening.

I'm sorry that I like western culture and the name ''Rhodesia'' more than ZIMBUMBABWE and some primitive African tribe culture that has pretty much destroyed the entire nation.

I do not support apartheid. However, I do believe that original African tribal cultures should be discouraged or even suppressed due to their primitive, aggressive and inhumane features.

Honestly though, I can't decide which one is worse. At least apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia didn't have leftist parties in power, so I'm gonna say that the current situation is just barely worse than it was before.

I took the apartheid-era flag of South Africa, tweaked with the colors and then put Rarity in the middle.

Death Metal wrote:Mind explaining me what subversive communist nonfiction they published?


probably none. again i don't think you actually understand the difference between a mans political views in his autobiography/book about his political struggle and fiction.


I'm so glad I saw your username before I responded.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:29 am

CTALNH wrote:
Individual wrote:And I would certainly put you down with a gun for trying to trample on my civil liberties. Your point?

Individuality should be condemned.The collective above all else.

You gotta earn your liberties something that I think you have never done.


Yeah how about no.

Because I'm totally sure you've earned your liberties posting incendiary filth on political forums.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:29 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:I miss Rhodesia.

It's actually because of the primitve and undeveloped nature of their culture and decolonization. If Africa would still be colonized, shit like this wouldn't be happening.

I'm sorry that I like western culture and the name ''Rhodesia'' more than ZIMBUMBABWE and some primitive African tribe culture that has pretty much destroyed the entire nation.

I do not support apartheid. However, I do believe that original African tribal cultures should be discouraged or even suppressed due to their primitive, aggressive and inhumane features.

Honestly though, I can't decide which one is worse. At least apartheid-era South Africa and Rhodesia didn't have leftist parties in power, so I'm gonna say that the current situation is just barely worse than it was before.

I took the apartheid-era flag of South Africa, tweaked with the colors and then put Rarity in the middle.



probably none. again i don't think you actually understand the difference between a mans political views in his autobiography/book about his political struggle and fiction.


I'm so glad I saw your username before I responded.


I've just reread that and realised how beautiful it is.
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Postby Hippostania » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:29 am

Ovisterra wrote:Exactly, so the examples are different. One is discriminating, one is destroying discrimination. They're opposites.

Anyway, we've gone horribly off-topic so I suggest we end this, set up a thread or take it to TG.

Except that the government shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against anyone. Private individuals however, should have a right to set up mutually agreed contracts and rules which means that a private company has a full right to set their own rules which can be enforced on that company's premises.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:30 am

Individual wrote:
CTALNH wrote:I can twist that logic to justify my revolution you know...

Sure thing bro. That is IF you have the might to do it.

Shame you don't know me and understand that I ain't lying by saying that my family are gun nuts...
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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:31 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Exactly, so the examples are different. One is discriminating, one is destroying discrimination. They're opposites.

Anyway, we've gone horribly off-topic so I suggest we end this, set up a thread or take it to TG.

Except that the government shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against anyone. Private individuals however, should have a right to set up mutually agreed contracts and rules which means that a private company has a full right to set their own rules which can be enforced on that company's premises.


I agree.

With the exception of discrimination based on things like race, gender, sexual orientation etc.

Anyway, back to the topic. I shall not reply to this line of posts further in this thread. TG me or start a thread if you want.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:31 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Death Metal wrote:Mind explaining me what subversive communist nonfiction they published?


probably none. again i don't think you actually understand the difference between a mans political views in his autobiography/book about his political struggle and fiction.


Nice natural 1 on your attack of the point.

Banning books on X topic has historically proven to lead to accusing people of advocating X even when their subject was Y. This is a BAD THING.

If you start banning books, fiction or otherwise, because they talk about or advocate any subject no matter how horrible or evil that subject may be leads ironically to government ovens. Only these are set to 451*F.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:34 am

Death Metal wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:

probably none. again i don't think you actually understand the difference between a mans political views in his autobiography/book about his political struggle and fiction.


Nice natural 1 on your attack of the point.

Banning books on X topic has historically proven to lead to accusing people of advocating X even when their subject was Y. This is a BAD THING.

If you start banning books, fiction or otherwise, because they talk about or advocate any subject no matter how horrible or evil that subject may be leads ironically to government ovens. Only these are set to 451*F.

but no one said anything about banning books?

as far as i know the conversation came from "hitler wrote in his book about his real political beliefs that he was going to exterminate jews. maybe we shouldn't let parties that run on the platform of genocide run or at the least make them make it very clear they're not actually genocidal and get rid of the genocide guy (he's not cool)" and your disbelief people will do what they say will they will do in their political manifestos

...

ok that probably actually does give you a point because political parties rarely do that

e: and your apparent inability to differentiate between political manifestos and the funny movie where the man does the thing
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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:34 am

CTALNH wrote:
Individual wrote:Sure thing bro. That is IF you have the might to do it.

Shame you don't know me and understand that I ain't lying by saying that my family are gun nuts...

I am sooo afraid. Enter Finnish borders and you all will be arrested, bro.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:35 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Individuality should be condemned.The collective above all else.

You gotta earn your liberties something that I think you have never done.


Yeah how about no.

Because I'm totally sure you've earned your liberties posting incendiary filth on political forums.

Well my nation sure us hell earned a lot of more respect in the international community that it has now...

Was your nation ever occupied for over 400 years?
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:37 am

CTALNH wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Yeah how about no.

Because I'm totally sure you've earned your liberties posting incendiary filth on political forums.

Well my nation sure us hell earned a lot of more respect in the international community that it has now...

Was your nation ever occupied for over 400 years?


I am not my nation. And neither are you.

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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:38 am

Individual wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Shame you don't know me and understand that I ain't lying by saying that my family are gun nuts...

I am sooo afraid. Enter Finnish borders and you all will be arrested, bro.

I never said I was gonna shoot you...

I just wanted to say that yeah I got might too if thats what your talking about.

Never mind how counter productive that would be.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:38 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Well my nation sure us hell earned a lot of more respect in the international community that it has now...

Was your nation ever occupied for over 400 years?


I am not my nation. And neither are you.


This is someone who refers to the Bolsheviks of 1917 and the Party under Stalin as "we".

There is some weird sense of historical inclusion.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:39 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Well my nation sure us hell earned a lot of more respect in the international community that it has now...

Was your nation ever occupied for over 400 years?


I am not my nation. And neither are you.

I meant Greece in Real life!
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Postby Chinese Regions » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:40 am

Hippostania wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:Exactly, so the examples are different. One is discriminating, one is destroying discrimination. They're opposites.

Anyway, we've gone horribly off-topic so I suggest we end this, set up a thread or take it to TG.

Except that the government shouldn't be allowed to discriminate against anyone. Private individuals however, should have a right to set up mutually agreed contracts and rules which means that a private company has a full right to set their own rules which can be enforced on that company's premises.

What gives one kind of organisations (corporations) more rights than another (governments)?
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:42 am

CTALNH wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
I am not my nation. And neither are you.

I meant Greece in Real life!


I'm aware, and my point stands.

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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:44 am

Imperiatom wrote:I am torn between Keeping the status quo or outlawing the party.

So in the interest of democracy you want to limit democracy?

You sound like fucking W.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:45 am

You want democracy? Fine.

You want to keep the baby eating commies out of power? Convince the voters to not vote for them.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:47 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:I meant Greece in Real life!


I'm aware, and my point stands.

Your not your country and part of what you believe in?

What filthy things are they teaching you in your schools?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:48 am

CTALNH wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
I'm aware, and my point stands.

Your not your country and part of what you believe in?

What filthy things are they teaching you in your schools?


Careful, CTALNH, you're starting to sound like a bourgeois nationalist.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:49 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:I am torn between Keeping the status quo or outlawing the party.

So in the interest of democracy you want to limit democracy?

You sound like fucking W.


You know your idea is bad when both me and Sibirsky are in total agreement in how terrible your idea is.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:49 am

CTALNH wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
I'm aware, and my point stands.

Your not your country and part of what you believe in?

What filthy things are they teaching you in your schools?

:palm:

No we are not our countries. When people greet me, they do not call me Mr. United States.
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Postby Sibirsky » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:50 am

Death Metal wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:So in the interest of democracy you want to limit democracy?

You sound like fucking W.


You know your idea is bad when both me and Sibirsky are in total agreement in how terrible your idea is.

:lol:
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:51 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Your not your country and part of what you believe in?

What filthy things are they teaching you in your schools?


Careful, CTALNH, you're starting to sound like a bourgeois nationalist.

That tends to happen when your home country was raped for over 400 years....
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Individual » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:52 am

CTALNH wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
I'm aware, and my point stands.

Your not your country and part of what you believe in?

What filthy things are they teaching you in your schools?

Nice fascism there, bro.
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