Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

[Agymnum]

That wouldn't be stateless or classless now, would it?

No it wouldn't but that kind of society is born from a communist revolution.

That kind of society can also be born from a fascist revolution or even a democratic revolution.

What is your point? It's still not communist, just like how it's not democratic.

[Machtergreifung]

Then the Nazis would never have discredited fascism, imperialism, anti-Semitism, etc.
Germany would still be dealing with the Versailles debt & hyperinflation.
etc.

They solved hyperinflation by 1921. Germany was prosperous until the great depression and the reparations were finally paid off in 2010. So it is acceptable to you for the need for 6 million Jews and other to be murdered first before you discredit Hitlers mien kampf? even though he indicated what he wanted to do.

Hell, if it hadn't been Hitler, it would have been someone else, abiet less of a madman. It's not as if Republican Germany was filled with supporters for democracy. Even the sucessfull statesmen such as Stresseman only saw democracy as a stopgap until they undid Versailles and restored the monarchy.

[Agymnum]

all they had to do is do what we want, do what we tell them and adopt our perfect system

cuba why are you making us do this???

Because they are stubborn.

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

[Chestaan]

Because they are stubborn.

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

Not to mention all the other times they tried to kill him.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Because they are stubborn.

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

[Arumdaum]

Under an iron boot heel.Commanded by a mad man.

That wouldn't be stateless or classless now, would it?

^

[Garwall]

I am an anti-communist and I say we should keep the status quo and let the communist parties operate but the government should't allow them to get in power because communism has had a dark history.

I hate when people say "well that's not really communism" well then communism isn't really real, you have no idea whether it will work or not and most examples of it on a state wide scale didn't end up very well. Saying "that's not Marxism" is merely for the purposes of mental masturbation, and it's your reckoning of what could happen vs. what has happened, for now I'll take empirical examples until I get proof that it could work out otherwise.

Real Democracy has never been practiced either. As I said before, all alleged Democracies that I know of are/have been Republics, founded on the basic ideas of Democracy.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

That wouldn't be stateless or classless now, would it?

^

No.no it would not.

[Luveria]

Or Cuba could acknowledge they fucked up with their communism turning Cuba into a shitty hellhole for its citizens. Is it so difficult to admit Communism doesn't work?

and the other right-wing shitholes are better? and cuba was so much better before?

i dunno man like the other guy said maybe if you didn't constantly attack them and try to strangle their economy? :-)

How about no. Strangling their communist economy has been forcing Cuba to adopt economic reforms, making them less communist. Cubans won't be free until Cuba is no longer a dictatorship.

http://www.democracyinamericas.org/cuba/cuba-publications/cubas-new-resolve/

And yes right wing shitholes like Pinochet's Chile are better than Cuba. Chile is now a member of the OECD and one of the most advanced economies in south america. Can you say anything like that about Cuba?

[Arumdaum]

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

There's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to this shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... d_by_Japan

[Agymnum]

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

Not to mention all the other times they tried to kill him.

Well yeah, but Bay of Pigs was what caused Castro to turn to the Soviets.

I mean, let's face it, if one of the superpowers clearly doesn't want to talk to you or even let you exist, logic dictates that you go to the other superpower.

[Harkback Union]

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

all they had to do is do what we want, do what we tell them and adopt our perfect system

cuba why are you making us do this???

Do you know how did cuba look like before the revolution?
Sure, if cuba allowed the us in, cuba's GDP would be tripled in the first decade, but that doesn't mean the common people would be better off. The "democratic" goverment would be purchased, taxes would be lowered, The profits would be taken abroad and the poor cubans would be left without their nice healthcare and state provisions...

[Machtergreifung]

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

Because America isn't a reactionary imperialist country that is governed by militarists. Right?

[Chestaan]

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

Because they were wrong? Because it might make everyone, especially ordinary Cubans, better off?

[Souseiseki]

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

why is "japan didn't do it so why should we???", appearing to run on playground logic, an actual response? ignoring the whole what happened to japan thing.

[Imperiatom]

Which is why it is such a dangerous system. And it should be destroyed or at least watched very carefully.

Should we not do the same for conservatism? I meant, it restricts the freedoms of others and it promotes extreme nationalism which is hurtful to the internationalist world we now live in.

It's a slippery slope you're sliding down there. For there to be true freedom, one must accept ideologies one both loves and hates. Freedom is a two-way street, son.

British conservatism is pretty much the opposite of this. As show with the recent attempts by Labour and the liberals to have regulatory powers bestowed on Parliament to regulate our press.

[Anachronous Rex]

Because the US fucked up and it was WRONG. And the US refused to admit it was WRONG and so now Cuba-US relations are never going to improve.

Because the US is so damn proud that their hubris has blinded them to the idea that MAYBE WE WERE WRONG TO TRY AND KILL CASTRO DURING BAY OF PIGS.

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

So your argument is that, because Japan sucks, we should suck too?

[Agymnum]

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

Because America isn't a reactionary imperialist country that is governed by militarists. Right?

Well if Japan won't apologize, we won't either. We'll stoop down to their level, because dammit we're 'Muricans.

Fucking disgraceful.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

There's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to this shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... d_by_Japan

Ah I see.Well we still don't have to apologize because we have not had our asses kicked by Cuba in a real war.

[Garwall]

Then the Nazis would never have discredited fascism, imperialism, anti-Semitism, etc.
Germany would still be dealing with the Versailles debt & hyperinflation.
etc.

They solved hyperinflation by 1921. Germany was prosperous until the great depression and the reparations were finally paid off in 2010. So it is acceptable to you for the need for 6 million Jews and other to be murdered first before you discredit Hitlers mien kampf? even though he indicated what he wanted to do.

From what I know, Germany was practically near anarchy thanks to the end of WWI. Doubt I would describe them as "Prosperous" until Hitler's whipping the nation into shape. Even then, "Prosperous" only extends to their industrial, military, and technological advances. Everything else was pretty poor.

[Agymnum]

There's a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to this shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wa ... d_by_Japan

Ah I see.Well we still don't have to apologize because we have not had our asses kicked by Cuba in a real war.

You, sir, are ignorant as fuck. Seriously. Apologizing happens because you were wrong, not because your might gets bested.

[Disserbia]

Is Italy the west? They almost did. Actually a lot of West European countries had some communist scares. Now we all know democratic socialism or social democracy is not really communism but it would seem that there is more and more sympathy to something more and more mixed every day.

Italy almost had Communists seize power following World War One, but this rise of Communism was widely put down by Benito Mussolini to protect the state. Benito Mussolini was a Fascist. Some things to remember before openly advocating the use of laws and force to suppress an ideology.

I know all that, the point of the person I was quoting was merely that "commies would never gain power in the west" and I was demonstrating that that is not really true. If you want to discuss other issues with me, quote my posts where I was discussing them with you, not here please. In addition Mussolini was a socialist before he was a Fascist, he wrote for Avanti. He was kicked out of it for having dissimilar views...hmmmmmm

[Souseiseki]

and the other right-wing shitholes are better? and cuba was so much better before?

i dunno man like the other guy said maybe if you didn't constantly attack them and try to strangle their economy? :-)

How about no. Strangling their communist economy has been forcing Cuba to adopt economic reforms, making them less communist. Cubans won't be free until Cuba is no longer a dictatorship.

http://www.democracyinamericas.org/cuba/cuba-publications/cubas-new-resolve/

And yes right wing shitholes like Pinochet's Chile are better than Cuba. Chile is now a member of the OECD and one of the most advanced economies in south america. Can you say anything like that about Cuba?

so do you actually care about the cuba or at all or this just a COMMUNISM EVIL thing?

was chile being blockaded? was chlile being constantly attacked by the most powerful country in the world? please factor this into your equations. also try to avoid getting tortued to death.

[Garwall]

That can't be it. Japan has never apologized for pearl harbor.Why should we apologize for our actions.

Because America isn't a reactionary imperialist country that is governed by militarists. Right?

Ri--...

R-Rig-...

I'm sorry, I can't agree with a straight face.

[Luveria]

Or Cuba could acknowledge they fucked up with their communism turning Cuba into a shitty hellhole for its citizens. Is it so difficult to admit Communism doesn't work?

Because the US-friendly government prior to Castro was so much better for the citizens of Cuba, right?

I mean, it's not like the Cubans participated in Castro's revolution because they HATED the old Cuban government, right?

No, no that can't be it. America cannot be at fault here, because America is never wrong.

Am I saying America isn't blameless? Can I oppose Communist dictatorships without automatically being labelled as an america worshipper? Nice strawman.