Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

[Radiatia]

Nope, because that would be undemocratic. And furthermore, communism is not necessarily a threat to democracy.

[Agymnum]

Don't call you son why? I call people various nicknames and they don't seem to have an issue with it.

More on-point, conservatism doesn't allow equal rights. Who was against blacks being able to vote? Conservatives. Who was against women being able to vote? Conservatives. Who is against gay marriage? Conservatives.

Conservatives only allow freedom so long as it benefits them. Beyond that they are oppressive.

Yes because American reactionaries are the be all end all definition of conservatism.

Well, if we're talking about European conservatives, they're basically centrists in the US. I have no problem with conservatives except US conservatives, who seem to be the only conservatives who are crazy enough to espouse racist and misogynist bullshit.

[Garwall]

No, because the commies would never gain power in the west. Besides, anyone with half a brain knows Communism would never work.

Is Italy the west? They almost did. Actually a lot of West European countries had some communist scares. Now we all know democratic socialism or social democracy is not really communism but it would seem that there is more and more sympathy to something more and more mixed every day.

Italy almost had Communists seize power following World War One, but this rise of Communism was widely put down by Benito Mussolini to protect the state. Benito Mussolini was a Fascist. Some things to remember before openly advocating the use of laws and force to suppress an ideology.

[Luveria]

Do you disagree with Germany having outlawed the NSDAP? Perhaps you would prefer nazism was allowed to remain since democracy shouldn't restrict dangerous political organizations which seek to end democracy.

Nazism should have remained legal on principle. If the German democracy is really doing a bang-up job the people would have no reason to turn to Nazism.

Making it illegal means that you know you're doing a shitty job because *gasp* people might actually turn to Nazism because their current government sucks dick.

Like the BNP having seats in the EU parliament. Or how the Maoists in Nepal are now the ruling party in that democracy.

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

Show me one example of an actual democracy being overthrown by communist revolution?

Does Nepal count?

[New Panti]

It is a stateless classless society where the workers control the means of production.

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

By a dictatorship, or a monarchy, etc. Democracy is not the only effective form of government.

[Harkback Union]

North Korea is not communist. China is not communist.

I've been to Cuba. Nice place, good healthcare.

Cuba was even better before the collapse of the USSR.
US keeps Cuba from trading now.

[Agymnum]

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

By a dictatorship, or a monarchy, etc. Democracy is not the only effective form of government.

Unless all the workers are dictators, or all the workers are kings and queens, such a society would not be communist since the workers would not be the ruling class in control of the means of production.

Communism is inherently democratic.

[Luveria]

North Korea is not communist. China is not communist.

I've been to Cuba. Nice place, good healthcare.

Cuba was even better before the collapse of the USSR.
US keeps Cuba from trading now.

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

It is a stateless classless society where the workers control the means of production.

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

Under an iron boot heel.Commanded by a mad man.

[Harkback Union]

Cuba was even better before the collapse of the USSR.
US keeps Cuba from trading now.

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

That would make them even poorer.

[Agymnum]

Cuba was even better before the collapse of the USSR.
US keeps Cuba from trading now.

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

Or the US could just acknowledge that it fucked up with Bay of Pigs, apologize, and reopen relations.

The US is the reason why US-Cuban relations are shit. It's not Cuba's fault the US is being such a dick about it.

[Imperiatom]

You say that but if fascist ideology was banned in 1920, No Hitler and no Holocaust. So maybe it is justifiable morally.

Then the Nazis would never have discredited fascism, imperialism, anti-Semitism, etc.
Germany would still be dealing with the Versailles debt & hyperinflation.
etc.

They solved hyperinflation by 1921. Germany was prosperous until the great depression and the reparations were finally paid off in 2010. So it is acceptable to you for the need for 6 million Jews and other to be murdered first before you discredit Hitlers mien kampf? even though he indicated what he wanted to do.

[Anachronous Rex]

Show me one example of an actual democracy being overthrown by communist revolution?

Can't but it is still opposed to democracy. Most countries that had communist revolutions were third world countries thus making the communist ideas appealing to that countries workers.

Well so fucking what? Democracy is opposed to Monarchy in principal, it doesn't mean that the Queen is in danger unless she outlaws parliament.

In fact, all that would do is ensure her Monarchy's destruction. And the exact same is true for what you propose. You would destroy democracy to save it.

[Arumdaum]

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

By a dictatorship, or a monarchy, etc. Democracy is not the only effective form of government.

Well, no shit.

But can dictatorships and monarchies be stateless and classless? Yeah, I didn't think so.

[Disserbia]

I am an anti-communist and I say we should keep the status quo and let the communist parties operate but the government should't allow them to get in power because communism has had a dark history.

I hate when people say "well that's not really communism" well then communism isn't really real, you have no idea whether it will work or not and most examples of it on a state wide scale didn't end up very well. Saying "that's not Marxism" is merely for the purposes of mental masturbation, and it's your reckoning of what could happen vs. what has happened, for now I'll take empirical examples until I get proof that it could work out otherwise.

[Chestaan]

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

Under an iron boot heel.Commanded by a mad man.

That wouldn't be stateless or classless now, would it?

[Luveria]

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

Or the US could just acknowledge that it fucked up with Bay of Pigs, apologize, and reopen relations.

The US is the reason why US-Cuban relations are shit. It's not Cuba's fault the US is being such a dick about it.

Or Cuba could acknowledge they fucked up with their communism turning Cuba into a shitty hellhole for its citizens. Is it so difficult to admit Communism doesn't work?

[Souseiseki]

Cuba was even better before the collapse of the USSR.
US keeps Cuba from trading now.

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

all they had to do is do what we want, do what we tell them and adopt our perfect system

cuba why are you making us do this???

[Agymnum]

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

Under an iron boot heel.Commanded by a mad man.

So... Not communist, since the workers don't own the means of production.

You're either incredibly witty or you have cognitive dissonance, because you claim to know how communism works and then claim that non-communist societies are communist.

I'm betting on the cognitive dissonance.

[Disserbia]

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

That would make them even poorer.

Most of their revenue is from tourism, no? All they'd be doing is opening the door for more of it.

[Agymnum]

Or the US could just acknowledge that it fucked up with Bay of Pigs, apologize, and reopen relations.

The US is the reason why US-Cuban relations are shit. It's not Cuba's fault the US is being such a dick about it.

Or Cuba could acknowledge they fucked up with their communism turning Cuba into a shitty hellhole for its citizens. Is it so difficult to admit Communism doesn't work?

Because the US-friendly government prior to Castro was so much better for the citizens of Cuba, right?

I mean, it's not like the Cubans participated in Castro's revolution because they HATED the old Cuban government, right?

No, no that can't be it. America cannot be at fault here, because America is never wrong.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Under an iron boot heel.Commanded by a mad man.

That wouldn't be stateless or classless now, would it?

No it wouldn't but that kind of society is born from a communist revolution.

[Souseiseki]

Or the US could just acknowledge that it fucked up with Bay of Pigs, apologize, and reopen relations.

The US is the reason why US-Cuban relations are shit. It's not Cuba's fault the US is being such a dick about it.

Or Cuba could acknowledge they fucked up with their communism turning Cuba into a shitty hellhole for its citizens. Is it so difficult to admit Communism doesn't work?

and the other right-wing shitholes are better? and cuba was so much better before?

i dunno man like the other guy said maybe if you didn't constantly attack them and try to strangle their economy? :-)

[Imperiatom]

This economic system has been around since man came out of his cave, ever since the first trade was made 1000's of years ago. Given how susceptible the human brain is to the concept of ownership and being superior to another i would say it has a bloody good chance of doing just that.

hopefully someone else will take it but i'll just say now the idea that purestrain private property capitalism was always present in humans and is hardwired into our brains is bollocks

I am not saying it is hardwired just that the potential for the temptation is.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

All Cuba has to do give up their communist dictatorship. It's not difficult.

all they had to do is do what we want, do what we tell them and adopt our perfect system

cuba why are you making us do this???

Because they are stubborn.