Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

[Anachronous Rex]

Should we not do the same for conservatism? I meant, it restricts the freedoms of others and it promotes extreme nationalism which is hurtful to the internationalist world we now live in.

It's a slippery slope you're sliding down there. For there to be true freedom, one must accept ideologies one both loves and hates. Freedom is a two-way street, son.

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

Show me one example of an actual democracy being overthrown by communist revolution?

[Imperiatom]

Communism does not work, it is a tool power hungry men use to get their nations working class to place them in power.

If communism does not work, please tell me how China is still communist. Communism itself isn't evil. The way rules generally use it is.

Its not communist its state capitalist.

[Agymnum]

Should we not do the same for conservatism? I meant, it restricts the freedoms of others and it promotes extreme nationalism which is hurtful to the internationalist world we now live in.

It's a slippery slope you're sliding down there. For there to be true freedom, one must accept ideologies one both loves and hates. Freedom is a two-way street, son.

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

Don't call you son why? I call people various nicknames and they don't seem to have an issue with it.

More on-point, conservatism doesn't allow equal rights. Who was against blacks being able to vote? Conservatives. Who was against women being able to vote? Conservatives. Who is against gay marriage? Conservatives.

Conservatives only allow freedom so long as it benefits them. Beyond that they are oppressive.

[Disserbia]

No, because the commies would never gain power in the west. Besides, anyone with half a brain knows Communism would never work.

Is Italy the west? They almost did. Actually a lot of West European countries had some communist scares. Now we all know democratic socialism or social democracy is not really communism but it would seem that there is more and more sympathy to something more and more mixed every day.

[Garwall]

Should we not do the same for conservatism? I meant, it restricts the freedoms of others and it promotes extreme nationalism which is hurtful to the internationalist world we now live in.

It's a slippery slope you're sliding down there. For there to be true freedom, one must accept ideologies one both loves and hates. Freedom is a two-way street, son.

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

If anything, Communism is a direct boon to Democracy. It overthrows the ruling class of citizens that form the legislative body of a nation, and allow the collective of individuals to decide as a group their course of action. Communism is a threat to Republicanism (not the U.S. Political Party, the form of government).

[Luveria]

You know, if a party is outlawed, it ain't much of a democracy.

this.

I'd bet Luveria would like this topic.

Do you disagree with Germany having outlawed the NSDAP? Perhaps you would prefer nazism was allowed to remain since democracy shouldn't restrict dangerous political organizations which seek to end democracy.

[Agymnum]

Agreed. Shoot the Jews and put the Commies in labor camps. That'll teach those pinkos who's boss!

No, not the labor camps.

Labour camps on the other hand...

The addition of the letter u adds so much class, you know.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

Show me one example of an actual democracy being overthrown by communist revolution?

Can't but it is still opposed to democracy. Most countries that had communist revolutions were third world countries thus making the communist ideas appealing to that countries workers.

[Harkback Union]

"Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?"
"No, Keep the status quo"

As if there was democracy in the west... (except for N-eu and the swiss)
As if the status quo wasn't already tough on communist party's... (same exceptions)
As if it made sense to use democracy aginst democratic parites... (except for elitist communist parties, but there is almost none of those today)

[Arumdaum]

Show me one example of an actual democracy being overthrown by communist revolution?

Can't but it is still opposed to democracy.

No it's not. This only shows that you have no idea on what the definition of communism even is.

[Agymnum]

this.

I'd bet Luveria would like this topic.

Do you disagree with Germany having outlawed the NSDAP? Perhaps you would prefer nazism was allowed to remain since democracy shouldn't restrict dangerous political organizations which seek to end democracy.

Nazism should have remained legal on principle. If the German democracy is really doing a bang-up job the people would have no reason to turn to Nazism.

Making it illegal means that you know you're doing a shitty job because *gasp* people might actually turn to Nazism because their current government sucks dick.

[Imperiatom]

Personally, I'm all in favor of going back to the old ways, and by that I mean blacklisting communists and barring them from any employment that involves national security/anywhere in which a security clearance has to be held.

Now some will say, "What about freedom of speech/ideology" however due to the nature of communism being an ideology hell bent on taking out the establishment through a spontaneous workers revolution(as any hardened Marxist would tell you), that any communist is already rallying in, or preparing to engage in treasonous activity against his own homeland.

Also, if communists want to live in a "worker's paradise" as they continuously quote, they can always immigrate to North Korea, Communist China or Cuba where they can have all the proletarian state that they can stomach.

I doubt many will take you up on that offer.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

No, not the labor camps.

Labour camps on the other hand...

The addition of the letter u adds so much class, you know.

It does. I'm effectively a nobleman, now.

[Chestaan]

Yes communism is a threat to freedom and democracy. Any and all members of any communist group should be imprisoned or possibly executed.

"Communism is a threat to democracy! To end this threat, let's destroy democracy!"

[Agymnum]

Personally, I'm all in favor of going back to the old ways, and by that I mean blacklisting communists and barring them from any employment that involves national security/anywhere in which a security clearance has to be held.

Now some will say, "What about freedom of speech/ideology" however due to the nature of communism being an ideology hell bent on taking out the establishment through a spontaneous workers revolution(as any hardened Marxist would tell you), that any communist is already rallying in, or preparing to engage in treasonous activity against his own homeland.

Also, if communists want to live in a "worker's paradise" as they continuously quote, they can always immigrate to North Korea, Communist China or Cuba where they can have all the proletarian state that they can stomach.

I doubt may will take you up on that offer.

North Korea is not communist. China is not communist.

I've been to Cuba. Nice place, good healthcare.

[Fourth Hellenic Republic]

I am an anti-communist and I say we should keep the status quo and let the communist parties operate but the government should't allow them to get in power because communism has had a dark history.

[New Panti]

Should we not do the same for conservatism? I meant, it restricts the freedoms of others and it promotes extreme nationalism which is hurtful to the internationalist world we now live in.

It's a slippery slope you're sliding down there. For there to be true freedom, one must accept ideologies one both loves and hates. Freedom is a two-way street, son.

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

Actually, communism seems more geared towards democracy because everyone is equal, while in capitalism some people have more power, etc. By saying communism is a direct threat to communism you couldn't be more wrong. Communism is a threat to capitalism, and vice-versa.

[Garwall]

Before we proceed we need to separate the governmental forms of "Democracy" and a "Republic". Democracy is where all citizens participate in the formation of laws and governing, while a Republic involves the use of elected officials to determine laws and rule a nation. Pure Democracy has never truly been put into effect, even by the most democratic of nations. All "Democracies" are actually Republics, formed on Democratic ideals.

In fact, the term "Democracy" has been widely dissociated with what it actually should represent, much in the same way that Communism has.

[Yue-Laou]

If a party is unconstitutional and it's goal is to get rid of democracy it should be forbidden.

[The Broken Imperial Sector]

Can't but it is still opposed to democracy.

No it's not. This only shows that you have no idea on what the definition of communism even is.

It is a stateless classless society where the workers control the means of production.

[Fedeledland]

OP: No.

Should we not do the same for conservatism? I meant, it restricts the freedoms of others and it promotes extreme nationalism which is hurtful to the internationalist world we now live in.

It's a slippery slope you're sliding down there. For there to be true freedom, one must accept ideologies one both loves and hates. Freedom is a two-way street, son.

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

And democratic socialism and democratic communism don't..?

[Agymnum]

No it's not. This only shows that you have no idea on what the definition of communism even is.

It is a stateless classless society where the workers control the means of production.

And you're calling that undemocratic?

Let me refine Arumdaum's statement: You have no idea on what the definition of democracy even is.

[Disserbia]

First of don't call me son. And communism is a direct threat to democracy at least conservatism still allows elections and free speech.

Don't call you son why? I call people various nicknames and they don't seem to have an issue with it.

More on-point, conservatism doesn't allow equal rights. Who was against blacks being able to vote? Conservatives. Who was against women being able to vote? Conservatives. Who is against gay marriage? Conservatives.

Conservatives only allow freedom so long as it benefits them. Beyond that they are oppressive.

Yes because American reactionaries are the be all end all definition of conservatism.

[Arumdaum]

No it's not. This only shows that you have no idea on what the definition of communism even is.

It is a stateless classless society where the workers control the means of production.

If not by democracy, how do you expect such a society to run?

[New Panti]

Before we proceed we need to separate the governmental forms of "Democracy" and a "Republic". Democracy is where all citizens participate in the formation of laws and governing, while a Republic involves the use of elected officials to determine laws and rule a nation. Pure Democracy has never truly been put into effect, even by the most democratic of nations. All "Democracies" are actually Republics, formed on Democratic ideals.

In fact, the term "Democracy" has been widely dissociated with what it actually should represent, much in the same way that Communism has.

Actually, the only example of true democracy was that of ancient Athens, and it was not an efficient form of government.