Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west?

[Forster Keys]

Well "Jack-booted Authoritarian Dick Party" is a tough sell.

Well, the Republicans manage to do that without the jackboots.

The fools went and got rid of the only good part.

[Khadgar]

I'm sorry, what part of communism is incompatible with democracy? That's always confused me.

communism is the people who support Marxian ideology but believe that they need to be proactive and force people to conform to creating a socialist communist state. As opposed to Marx himself who said that it was inevitable and should be left to occur in it's own time. To force a communist society on a people you need to outlaw democracy.

What?

[Frisivisia]

Well, the Republicans manage to do that without the jackboots.

The fools went and got rid of the only good part.

Jackboots give a +5 to badassery.

[Forster Keys]

The fools went and got rid of the only good part.

Jackboots give a +5 to badassery.

Too true. Skulls and consistent use of the colour black also helps.

[Chestaan]

Why should we tolerate you? Clearly YOU are an enemy of democracy as you just advocated banning political parties. Does that mean that you should be imprisoned?

Read my OP and then come back and tell me what i supposedly think.

I am torn between Keeping the status quo or outlawing the party.

[Threlizdun]

communism is the people who support Marxian ideology but believe that they need to be proactive and force people to conform to creating a socialist communist state.

What? Firstly, "communist state" is an oxymoron. Secondly, why the hell can you only be considered a communist if you believe authoritarianism is an appropriate path to reach a communist society. I always thought it was, I don't know, people who agreed with communism?

As opposed to Marx himself who said that it was inevitable and should be left to occur in it's own time.

So by your own logic Marx wasn't a communist.

To force a communist society on a people you need to outlaw democracy.

Blatantly false. Democracy is a prerequisite for communism. Communism is democracy applied to both the political and economic spheres.

[Imperiatom]

communism is the people who support Marxian ideology but believe that they need to be proactive and force people to conform to creating a socialist communist state. As opposed to Marx himself who said that it was inevitable and should be left to occur in it's own time. To force a communist society on a people you need to outlaw democracy.

Wat.

I should have said what is commonly called Communism. Yes communist Russia was not really communist and Lenin, Trotsky and the gang were no Marxists.

[Imperiatom]

You know, if a party is outlawed, it ain't much of a democracy.

Depends if the majority wanted it outlawed or not. Are we talking democracy democracy, or democracy democracy?

Good point! Both those forms are at odds with each other.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Wat.

I should have said what is commonly called Communism. Yes communist Russia was not really communist and Lenin, Trotsky and the gang were no Marxists.

So you're essentially arguing against something that isn't communism but calling it communism for the purposes of your argument and the sake of convenience, basic accuracy be damned.

[L Ron Cupboard]

On the communist party's what - or is that a grocer's apostrophe? Public school teaching standards must be slipping.

[Threlizdun]

I should have said what is commonly called Communism. Yes communist Russia was not really communist

Then what the hell are you talking about? If you are saying it should be illegal to advocate authoritarian state capitalism, then say that. Not all communist parties advocate such nonsense. In fact, most don't.

[Herrebrugh]

Nah. I think I like freedom of speech just too damn much for this.

[Randy F Marsh]

communism is the people who support Marxian ideology but believe that they need to be proactive and force people to conform to creating a socialist communist state. As opposed to Marx himself who said that it was inevitable and should be left to occur in it's own time. To force a communist society on a people you need to outlaw democracy.

What?

I think he's saying that communism or socialism or any form where the workers control the means of production has to happen from the bottom up, not top down, not through centralization or state planning. The "communism" of the 20th century was largely authoritarian dickism. So the parties which often promote that perversion of communism would have to go against the democratic wants to achieve their ultimate goals. Think of communism in Russia after the revolution and then a bit after Stalin.

[New Rayhaven]

It's not a real democracy if other points of view are suppressed.

[Imperiatom]

communism is the people who support Marxian ideology but believe that they need to be proactive and force people to conform to creating a socialist communist state.

You're talking bullshit about things you don't understand.

Unless you'd like to explain how aiming for anarchy is aiming for a state.

As opposed to Marx himself who said that it was inevitable and should be left to occur in it's own time.

Not really, no. He described the confrontation as inevitable, not the victory.

To force a communist society on a people you need to outlaw democracy.

Not really, no.

Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west is the question, and if so how tough?

No, unless you hate freedom of expression.

I am interested to find out what the members of nation states feel about this. As if the communists ever took power i doubt we could use this site as we do presently.

You're wrong.

The outlawing of other political party's would i believe occur,

Not really, no, given that there wouldn't be a state.

swiftly followed by the repression of free speech and expression.

Not really, no.

Given that the attitude of the communists is my way or the highway( Road of bones- for those who don't understand my pun)

You appear to be misrepresenting the communist position.

should we tolerate them or should we crack down on them as Germany does for example on Nazi ideology.

If you'd kindly explain how crypto-anarchists are as anti-democratic and totalitarian as Nazis, that'd be lovely.

You seem to be advocating that it is a form of "government" that can not work in the real world.

[Forster Keys]

On the communist party's what - or is that a grocer's apostrophe? Public school teaching standards must be slipping.

I blame all the immigrants on FaceSpace. This country's going to the dogs I tell you.

[The New Sea Territory]

Nope, freedom of speech and assembly are basic tenets of liberty.

And that works for all parties. The National Socialists, Black/White Supremacists, Feminazis, Communists, Socialists, (as much as libs disagree) Republicans and Libertarians.

In actuality, communism is anarchism, which is more democratic than the modern American connotation of communism: Stalinist Dictatorship, or North Korea.

So no.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You're talking bullshit about things you don't understand.

Unless you'd like to explain how aiming for anarchy is aiming for a state.



Not really, no. He described the confrontation as inevitable, not the victory.



Not really, no.



No, unless you hate freedom of expression.



You're wrong.



Not really, no, given that there wouldn't be a state.



Not really, no.



You appear to be misrepresenting the communist position.



If you'd kindly explain how crypto-anarchists are as anti-democratic and totalitarian as Nazis, that'd be lovely.

You seem to be advocating that it is a form of "government" that can not work in the real world.

Why not?

Besides which, it doesn't change the fact that the OP isn't discussing communists, it's discussing Stalinists.

[Livata]

I swear to drunk this is such an unintelligent question, it's called freedom of speech.

[Imperiatom]

Read my OP and then come back and tell me what i supposedly think.

I am torn between Keeping the status quo or outlawing the party.

Exactly torn between, i can see the arguments for both but have not made up my mind. Read the whole thing not just the part underlined as that suits you.

[The Serbian Empire]

It depends on the doctrine that the Communists are using. IF the Communists want to ban other parties thus destroying the democracy, then the Communists must be banned. Otherwise, the Communists are no threat.

[Benomia]

Should democracy get tough on communist party's in the west is the question, and if so how tough?
I am interested to find out what the members of nation states feel about this. As if the communists ever took power i doubt we could use this site as we do presently. The outlawing of other political party's would i believe occur, swiftly followed by the repression of free speech and expression. Given that the attitude of the communists is my way or the highway( Road of bones- for those who don't understand my pun) should we tolerate them or should we crack down on them as Germany does for example on Nazi ideology.

I am torn between Keeping the status quo or outlawing the party.

If you mean actual communism, with communes and everything, then they better not because I'd be one of them.
If you mean soviet socialists, then congress actually passed a law in the 50s saying that they can't persecute people because of their ideology. Before that law was passed, they were literally imprisoning legal members of the CPUSA.

[Trotskylvania]

Why bother? Right now, even the worst Marxist-Leninist cults are just counterproductive little non-entities. They only seem to harm the broader communist and socialist left...

[Urbaria]

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[Phocidaea]

No "democracy" should ever, under any circumstances, prohibit someone's political views. No matter how disagreeable or insane.

For example, I hate Nazism, like just about everyone who isn't a Nazi himself, but I think Germany should be ashamed of banning it outright.