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Out of this list who do you believe to have been the worst Prime Minister?

Gordon Brown
17
14%
Tony Blair
12
10%
John Major
4
3%
Margaret Thatcher
48
40%
James Callaghan
3
2%
Clement Attlee
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2%
Anthony Eden
4
3%
Neville Chamberlain
19
16%
David Lloyd George
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2%
Other
8
7%
 
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:20 am

James Hacker, of course. That silly old buffer barely managed anything!
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Postby Chinese Regions » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:21 am

Neville Chamberlain, followed by Margaret Thatcher and Gordon Brown.
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Postby Heavenly Peace » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:22 am

The Holy Therns wrote:James Hacker, of course. That silly old buffer barely managed anything!


Indeed. Francis Urquhart was far superior.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:23 am

Cameron is about on a par with Gordon Brown, but Eden was worse than both by a fair amount.
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Postby Stad » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:27 am

This might be controversial, but Brown was really a victim of circumstance. Remember that he was praised as the 'iron chancellor' just a few years ago, and his economic policy at the time was regarded as rather good. The problem is that the conservatives and the press have managed to pin the deficit problem on him; which, as an economist, I know is simply false. Sure, there had been a fairly large expansion under Labour, but the bulk of the deficit/debt was in fact the result of the enormous bank bailout. It was either that, or catastrophe.

Cameron is the polar opposite; his government's economic policy is sheer insanity, and austerity has lost virtually all its former supporters. Nevertheless, they have managed to maintain the impression that it's all necessary, and there is no alternative. Spin is everything.
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Postby Asasia » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:31 am

Brown. He bankrupted the shit out of the United Kingdom.
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Postby Heavenly Peace » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:32 am

Stad wrote:This might be controversial, but Brown was really a victim of circumstance. Remember that he was praised as the 'iron chancellor' just a few years ago, and his economic policy at the time was regarded as rather good. The problem is that the conservatives and the press have managed to pin the deficit problem on him; which, as an economist, I know is simply false. Sure, there had been a fairly large expansion under Labour, but the bulk of the deficit/debt was in fact the result of the enormous bank bailout. It was either that, or catastrophe.


So selling the nation's gold reserves when the price for gold was at an all time low was a good economic decision?

Cameron is the polar opposite; his government's economic policy is sheer insanity, and austerity has lost virtually all its former supporters. Nevertheless, they have managed to maintain the impression that it's all necessary, and there is no alternative. Spin is everything.


Austerity? What Austerity?
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Postby Stad » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:36 am

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Stad wrote:This might be controversial, but Brown was really a victim of circumstance. Remember that he was praised as the 'iron chancellor' just a few years ago, and his economic policy at the time was regarded as rather good. The problem is that the conservatives and the press have managed to pin the deficit problem on him; which, as an economist, I know is simply false. Sure, there had been a fairly large expansion under Labour, but the bulk of the deficit/debt was in fact the result of the enormous bank bailout. It was either that, or catastrophe.

Cameron is the polar opposite; his government's economic policy is sheer insanity, and austerity has lost virtually all its former supporters. Nevertheless, they have managed to maintain the impression that it's all necessary, and there is no alternative. Spin is everything.


So selling the nation's gold reserves when the price for gold was at an all time low was a good economic decision?


Of course that was a mistake, but I was talking about his overall performance. Besides, it's the easiest thing in the world for us to sit back years later and tell investors 'buy low, sell high', but evidently it's a little easier said than done.

Wrt austerity, there is no contradiction between it and increased govt. spending. Indeed, it is misguided austerity measures that have contributed to an increasing welfare bill, etc.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:50 am

Thatcher, because she pretty much destroyed the economy of the north east (I'm biased, problem?).
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Postby Abrinam » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:52 am

Every Labour Prime minister ever, Vote Conservative in 2014, for the good of Britain!

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Postby Heavenly Peace » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:54 am

Abrinam wrote:Every Labour Prime minister ever, Vote Conservative in 2014, for the good of Britain!


The trouble is that the Conservatives under Cameron are no better. They are carrying on Brownite economic policies. If they replace Osborne with Redwood then they will receive my full support.
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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:57 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:Thatcher, because she pretty much destroyed the economy of the north east (I'm biased, problem?).


Not only the economy but also draconian police legislation like the Public Order Act of 1986, the so-called Poll Tax, the ban on councils building social housing, the utter obliteration of the Unions...oh list could on and on.

Oh it was grand living in Leeds as a young school leaver in the 1980's.

Only thing she got right was not getting involved in the European Monetary Union.

Personally am quite looking forward to her passing so I can take a dump on her grave....much like she dumped on the rest of us non-elites.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:18 am

Thatcher was definitely one of the worst, if not the worst, British Prime Ministers.

Being a leftie I'm somewhat biased when I say that Attlee is probably, in my opinion, the best British PM.

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Postby Hippostania » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:50 am

Clement Attlee. Using the government to illegally take control of private companies, creating the National Health Service, using funds for stupid shit like social security.. Just like FDR in the US, Attlee is the reason why a left-wing entitlement culture exists in the UK.
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Postby Eylandia » Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:59 am

Worst Prime Minister, I'd have to say Major is my vote for worst. He was appalling, and probably gets the reward for most corrupt UK government ever. Need I mention Black Wednesday?

My vote for best has to be Attlee, accomplished the re-building of a shattered and broken post-war Britain, and not only re-built it but made it even better. He also had a fantastic pipe: case closed.
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Hippostania wrote:Clement Attlee. Using the government to illegally take control of private companies, creating the National Health Service, using funds for stupid shit like social security.. Just like FDR in the US, Attlee is the reason why a left-wing entitlement culture exists in the UK.


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Trust Hippo to slam one of the most popular Prime Ministers of all time for being socialist. Nevermind the stats, HE'S AN EVIL COMMIE. REVIVE THATCHER, CRUSH THE PEOPLE, MAKE MONEY.

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Postby Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:07 am

Hippostania wrote:Clement Attlee. Using the government to illegally take control of private companies, creating the National Health Service, using funds for stupid shit like social security.. Just like FDR in the US, Attlee is the reason why a left-wing entitlement culture exists in the UK.


Yeah as usual you show your ignorance.

The first ideas of creating a national health service was from Ernest Brown (a Liberal...but on the right...a stead fast supporter of John Simon who was effectively a Conservative). The first paper to seriously put forward the idea of a NHS was by Sir Henry Urmston Willink. A Conservative.

Sources for the illegal taking control of companies and the using of "funds for stupid shit like social security" please.
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Postby The Whispers » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:08 am

Abrinam wrote:Every Labour Prime minister ever, Vote Conservative in 2014, for the good of Britain!

Classic Post.

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Postby The Whispers » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:10 am

Eylandia wrote:Worst Prime Minister, I'd have to say Major is my vote for worst. He was appalling, and probably gets the reward for most corrupt UK government ever. Need I mention Black Wednesday?

"Most corrupt UK government ever", eh?

Not really sure about that.

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Postby Freeman » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:14 am

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Postby Eylandia » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:16 am

The Whispers wrote:
Eylandia wrote:Worst Prime Minister, I'd have to say Major is my vote for worst. He was appalling, and probably gets the reward for most corrupt UK government ever. Need I mention Black Wednesday?

"Most corrupt UK government ever", eh?

Not really sure about that.


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Postby Erstaunlich » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:18 am

Not to sound like trolling, but what were the prime ministers of Britian?
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