Who was the worst American President

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Can't believe I forgot Harding. Fucker got inducted into the KKK on the White House lawn. Dubya never did that, to his credit!
I don't think Wilson is THE worst, but he's not far from it. Racist, ivory-tower asshole.
And why Coolidge? Guy seemed pretty...boring, really.
I think Carter was just unlucky as fuck and got elected at a terrible time, and so became a total scapegoat.

Carter was .......meh the tax on excess oil profits and 65 MPH speed limit were terrible ideas.

That's so tiny in comparison to...say...Buchanan, or Johnson, though.
Letting the South slip through your fingers/letting Reconstruction wither on the vine, to me, does not equal an annoying tax and having to go a bit slower on freeways.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Reagan.



I hear the cries of a thousand conservatives.

OH SHIT HE WENT THERE
I...think Reagan's down there pretty far on my list. Definitely bottom half.

[Forsher]

The 21st President.

[Free Detroit]

For the VP nomination? It was openly rigged.

No for reelection in 48

Alright, I'll grant it did happen; I'm not sure that necessarily reflects positively on his presidency though. He was the GWB of his age, only he caused a great deal more damage.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Reagan.



I hear the cries of a thousand conservatives.

I agree, and I reckon Central and South America probably do as well.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

The 21st President.

Whaddaya got against Fancy Chester?
In the words of a journalist of the time, "No duty was neglected in his administration, and no adventurous project alarmed the nation."
Not too horrible, I would think?

[The empire of Washington]

Reagan.



I hear the cries of a thousand conservatives.

Do you have any particular problems or just a general issue?

[Divair]

Do you have any particular problems or just a general issue?

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

[The empire of Washington]

Carter was .......meh the tax on excess oil profits and 65 MPH speed limit were terrible ideas.

That's so tiny in comparison to...say...Buchanan, or Johnson, though.
Letting the South slip through your fingers/letting Reconstruction wither on the vine, to me, does not equal an annoying tax and having to go a bit slower on freeways.

I said Buchanan I was just offering on opinion.

[Zuurenbourg]

Nixon

[Eaglleia]

George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D Roosevelt, Thomas Jefferson were the worst.

In all seriousness, Buchanan, Coolidge, Pierce, Johnson, George.W, Hoover, Carter (as president, he was horrible) and Harding were the worst, I can't decide who was worst.

Can't believe I forgot Harding. Fucker got inducted into the KKK on the White House lawn. Dubya never did that, to his credit!
I don't think Wilson is THE worst, but he's not far from it. Racist, ivory-tower asshole.
And why Coolidge? Guy seemed pretty...boring, really.
I think Carter was just unlucky as fuck and got elected at a terrible time, and so became a total scapegoat.

Your right, Coolidge wasn't as bad as some of the others, But he contributed a lot in leading up to the depression, which is why I put him there. Its just my opinion though.

[The empire of Washington]

Do you have any particular problems or just a general issue?

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

im half surprised you didnt immediately say "Just Say No", so for example you dont like that he met with Gorbachev for Disarmament talks?

[Al-Quarra]

Bush... just becouse he started the fall of the US perminantly.

[Divair]

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

im half surprised you didnt immediately say "Just Say No", so for example you dont like that he met with Gorbachev for Disarmament talks?

I don't dislike it, but it's pointless, like most nuclear disarmament talks. Both Russia and the USA still have enough nukes to fuck the world over a few thousand times. As they should, it prevents wars.

[Free Detroit]

Do you have any particular problems or just a general issue?

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

Reagan "won" the Cold War by driving our country into an obscene debt spiral and essentially bungling every meaningful contact with the USSR because of his Star Wars fixation... Aside from raping Central and South America (as stated), basically kicking black Americans in the chest as hard as he could just when they were poised to get up, expanding the war on drugs and the prison-industrial complex to unprecedented scales, let me see... Nah, great, great man. Didn't you see that cowboy hat?

[Divair]

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

Reagan "won" the Cold War by driving our country into an obscene debt spiral and essentially bungling every meaningful contact with the USSR because of his Star Wars fixation... Aside from raping Central and South America (as stated), basically kicking black Americans in the chest as hard as he could just when they were poised to get up, expanding the war on drugs and the prison-industrial complex to unprecedented scales, let me see... Nah, great, great man. Didn't you see that cowboy hat?

Summary of why Reagan is shit.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

im half surprised you didnt immediately say "Just Say No", so for example you dont like that he met with Gorbachev for Disarmament talks?

He only ever met with Gorbachev because Gorbachev himself announced that he was a reformer. Reagan did bugger all to help relations up until that point, he was more concerned with his precious SDI.

[Heavenly Peace]

Obama...

Well, someone had to say it.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Yes, I have particular problems with his administration. Namely, everything he did.

Reagan "won" the Cold War by driving our country into an obscene debt spiral and essentially bungling every meaningful contact with the USSR because of his Star Wars fixation... Aside from raping Central and South America (as stated), basically kicking black Americans in the chest as hard as he could just when they were poised to get up, expanding the war on drugs and the prison-industrial complex to unprecedented scales, let me see... Nah, great, great man. Didn't you see that cowboy hat?

How could you not love a man whose idea of a joke was to announce that we'd begin bombing Russia in five minutes?

[The empire of Washington]

im half surprised you didnt immediately say "Just Say No", so for example you dont like that he met with Gorbachev for Disarmament talks?

I don't dislike it, but it's pointless, like most nuclear disarmament talks. Both Russia and the USA still have enough nukes to fuck the world over a few thousand times. As they should, it prevents wars.

You are the first ever non-Republican I have heard say that .

[Free Detroit]

I don't dislike it, but it's pointless, like most nuclear disarmament talks. Both Russia and the USA still have enough nukes to fuck the world over a few thousand times. As they should, it prevents wars.

This. Gorbachev was moving toward total disarmament. Reagan botched it because stopping space-based missile defense projects was one of the USSR's conditions and, y'know, space weapons were just too viable an option for the US to pass up.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I don't dislike it, but it's pointless, like most nuclear disarmament talks. Both Russia and the USA still have enough nukes to fuck the world over a few thousand times. As they should, it prevents wars.

You are the first ever non-Republican I have heard say that .

It's not a Republican viewpoint that deterrence is good, necessarily - it hearkens to realist/liberalist views, which don't at all cleanly line up on the R/D spectrum.
Disarmament as a means of reducing tensions and showing the desire to avoid a security dilemma is good, but deterrence does really help in preventing bloody huge ground wars.

[Free Detroit]

Reagan "won" the Cold War by driving our country into an obscene debt spiral and essentially bungling every meaningful contact with the USSR because of his Star Wars fixation... Aside from raping Central and South America (as stated), basically kicking black Americans in the chest as hard as he could just when they were poised to get up, expanding the war on drugs and the prison-industrial complex to unprecedented scales, let me see... Nah, great, great man. Didn't you see that cowboy hat?

Summary of why Reagan is shit.

Summary of what makes America America...

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I don't dislike it, but it's pointless, like most nuclear disarmament talks. Both Russia and the USA still have enough nukes to fuck the world over a few thousand times. As they should, it prevents wars.

This. Gorbachev was moving toward total disarmament. Reagan botched it because stopping space-based missile defense projects was one of the USSR's conditions and, y'know, space weapons were just too viable an option for the US to pass up.

Total disarmament would never have happened in a million years. Had they ever seriously moved towards that, Gorby would have been couped immediately.
The Soviets had been using total nuclear and conventional disarmament for years as a talking point. Khrushchev openly admitted it was just a ploy to gain the sympathies of non-nuclear nations, and it always worked - either the Americans looked like warmongerers, or they had to go along with the Ruskies on a white-whale plan neither of them actually wanted to have happen.
It's also a fairly commonly-held opinion in some circles that Star Wars and all the space-based weapons plans were just Potemkin fronts to get the Russians to spend more money countering us, and would never actually have gotten made.

[Divair]

Summary of why Reagan is shit.

Summary of what makes America America...

It's like this because of Reagan.