Who was the worst American President

[Kvatchdom]

Reagan, for Star Wars.

Reagan and star wars?

[Edward Richtofen]

George Washington for being instrumental in defeating the British Empire.

Knox, why?

[Choronzon]

Are you using "bad" in a moral sense or a competence sense?

I took it as being said in a competence sense. Hence my comment.

I actually did. And again, being re-elected doesn't necessarily mean that you aren't an incompetent president. It may mean that the people who voted for you were incompetent voters.

Incompetent does not put up these kind of numbers:



You can't write off that kind of land slide. You can run a good campaign and be a shitty president.

[Kvatchdom]

Yeah fuck him for not letting Hitler conquer Europe. Long live appeasement and isolationism!

No, that is exactly why I hate him; he didn't intervene until 1942. FDR let France fall, FDR didn't intervene when the UK was in danger, FDR let the Soviets conquer and enslave Eastern Europe due to his left-wing sympathies. Fuck him. He's the reason hundreds of millions of people from Szczeczin to Trieste were enslaved for almost five decades.

Fuck New Deal, too

Indeed. One of the biggest mistakes, if not the biggest, that America has ever made.

He didn't intervene because he didn't need to, being the assrat what almost all American presidents are. He was closer to being centre-right Keynesian, actually.

New Deal helped kickstart the economy.

[Choronzon]

Reagan, for Star Wars.

Reagan and star wars?

Star Wars

[Key West]

George Walker Bush.

Economic collapse.
Bungled domestic policy.
Implicit knowledge of 9/11.
War criminal.
Genocide/crimes against humanity.
Frequent religious themed hallucinations.
Illegitimate elections, YES BOTH OF THEM.
/thread.

[New New Capston]

George W Bush. I truly believe that once all the bodies are counted (physically and metaphorically) it will be extremely difficult for history to view him as anything but the worst president



"Bad" politicians don't win the kind of landslides Reagan did. Bad politicians lose.

Can a bad politician even be a president? Seems like an odd notion that you'd get the nation's top job without having some skill as a politician. Even counting the VPs who get the job after the death of a sitting president.

Wow, now that you mentioned VP, the second-in-command, did Dan Quayle have any skills apart from speaking bullshit, gibberish, jargon etc?

[Kvatchdom]

Reagan and star wars?

Star Wars

Aha. But USA lost the space thingie, as USSR did almost everything first. Only thing Americans did was land on the moon, thus, losing.

[Edward Richtofen]

Adams, his presidency was ruined by difficulties and the inability to be a decent follow up for George Washington.

[Choronzon]

No, that is exactly why I hate him; he didn't intervene until 1942. FDR let France fall, FDR didn't intervene when the UK was in danger, FDR let the Soviets conquer and enslave Eastern Europe due to his left-wing sympathies. Fuck him. He's the reason hundreds of millions of people from Szczeczin to Trieste were enslaved for almost five decades.


Indeed. One of the biggest mistakes, if not the biggest, that America has ever made.

He didn't intervene because he didn't need to, being the assrat what almost all American presidents are.

He actually didn't intervene because Americans didn't want to get involved in the war. Boo popular sovereignty amirite?

FDR was frantically looking for any excuse that would allow him to bring America into the conflict. And it was Truman who "let" Stalin "enslave" eastern Europe (although I'd phrase that as "was unwilling to fight another massive war which would cost millions more lives")- FDR was dead when World War II ended.

Hippo has no clue when it comes to history. Shocking.

[Choronzon]

Star Wars

Aha. But USA lost the space thingie, as USSR did almost everything first. Only thing Americans did was land on the moon, thus, losing.

What in Christ's name does that have to do with anything?

[Kvatchdom]

Aha. But USA lost the space thingie, as USSR did almost everything first. Only thing Americans did was land on the moon, thus, losing.

What in Christ's name does that have to do with anything?

Not anything with the other stuff you posted, but I'm pointing out that statistically US lost the space to USSR

[The Whispers]

Ever?

Maybe Jackson. Can't really look at his presidency and say "good idea" to any of it. Say what you will about Buchanan, but Jackson paved the road for the Civil War in many ways.

Way the first: expanding the US hugely, basically for the sake of ne'er-do-wells of various kinds. That's not a good set of people if you want an enlightened state (protip: you do).

Way the second: basically going for a 'might makes right' approach to his entire (fairly popular) presidency, which I think infected politicians in the same way as Churchill did in the UK.

Way the third: the encouragement of an 'agricultural' (read slaveholding) Republic. Boo to that.

[Khadgar]

George Walker Bush.

Illegitimate elections, YES BOTH OF THEM.
/thread.

The second election wasn't problematic. As for the 9/11 thing, the government might have had all the pieces, but you can only claim it being obvious with the benefit of hindsight.

[Karmon]

Thomas Jefferson.

[Choronzon]

What in Christ's name does that have to do with anything?

Not anything with the other stuff you posted, but I'm pointing out that statistically US lost the space to USSR

Considering the fact that the moon landing was the holy grail of space exploration at the time, I'd say you're incorrect.

I also have a feeling you're just looking to get a rise out of easily trollable Americans.

[Kvatchdom]

He didn't intervene because he didn't need to, being the assrat what almost all American presidents are.

He actually didn't intervene because Americans didn't want to get involved in the war. Boo popular sovereignty amirite?

FDR was frantically looking for any excuse that would allow him to bring America into the conflict. And it was Truman who "let" Stalin "enslave" eastern Europe (although I'd phrase that as "was unwilling to fight another massive war which would cost millions more lives")- FDR was dead when World War II ended.

Hippo has no clue when it comes to history. Shocking.

I wouldn't have intervened either, but it's still douchy to let that stuff happen. Truman's on a whole new level of assrat.

[Shalum]

George W. Bush
For taking us into a war with Iraq when Saudi Arabians attacked us
Operation Iraqi Liberation or OIL

[Kvatchdom]

Not anything with the other stuff you posted, but I'm pointing out that statistically US lost the space to USSR

Considering the fact that the moon landing was the holy grail of space exploration at the time, I'd say you're incorrect.

I also have a feeling you're just looking to get a rise out of easily trollable Americans.

I consider getting a living thing first in space, getting a man first in space, inventing several new technologies used later by USA, etc, is a victory to the USSR.

[New New Capston]

I can also say that Franklin Pierce was very bad for breaching the native americans' human rights. However, this was good for hist state, so he was a good politician while being a bad person.

[Zurkerx]

I would say President James Buchanan. He did nothing to prevent the Civil War.

[Xoriet]

James Buchanan for being too passive in office (weak, really) to stop the secessionist states before they increased and became a serious problem for the United States.

[Choronzon]

Considering the fact that the moon landing was the holy grail of space exploration at the time, I'd say you're incorrect.

I also have a feeling you're just looking to get a rise out of easily trollable Americans.

I consider getting a living thing first in space, getting a man first in space, inventing several new technologies used later by USA, etc, is a victory to the USSR.

Even if that were true, and this is the last I'll say about this little detour...

Which State is still around, alive and kicking as a super power?

[Ainin]

George Walker Bush.

Economic collapse.
Bungled domestic policy.
Implicit knowledge of 9/11.
War criminal.
Genocide/crimes against humanity.
Frequent religious themed hallucinations.
Illegitimate elections, YES BOTH OF THEM.
/thread.

9/11 was not an inside job.
9/11 was not an inside job.
9/11 was not an inside job.

[Choronzon]

George Walker Bush.

Economic collapse.
Bungled domestic policy.
Implicit knowledge of 9/11.
War criminal.
Genocide/crimes against humanity.
Frequent religious themed hallucinations.
Illegitimate elections, YES BOTH OF THEM.
/thread.

9/11 was not an inside job.
9/11 was not an inside job.
9/11 was not an inside job.

The poster never said it was. He just said that the gov had knowledge of 9/11. And they did. Clinton's administration left them memos. Bush dropped the ball.

EDIT: Remember this guy?