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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:39 pm

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Morally speaking, both events are similar, in the sense that they require hatred and disregard for the dignity of another human being. It's a horrible show of apathy, a violation of our own naturally empathetic proclivities.

Yes because rape culture gases women and baby's and works the strong to death like animals.

Finally, some people get this.
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Armadrone wrote:A lot of the Feminist movement today just promotes hate and gender roles. Which is bad for both sexes really and it also excludes cross gendered people as well. The Feminist fail to see that not everyone is female and male. As a male I am very horrified at them because they are a hate group and all they want is just reverse discrimination, where the men are mistreated. In stead of actually solving the problem. Its not a matter of sexism its matter of gender role created by religion all in which MUST be destroyed to achieve equality among the people. Then make sure the class system is equal and fair and abolish the class system. Thus leading us down the path of a golden age of Socialism.

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Also, have you ever heard of the prominent third wave feminist Judith Butler? She is the person that established important parts and helped popularize queer theory and the notion of sex and gender as different concepts in the first place.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

It's sickening that men are always expected to pay the date, yeah. But other than that and a few violence remarks, I see no problem with feminism.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Why? :eyebrow:

Because MRA is fucking bullcrap. To put it kindly.


You don't have to be an MRA to oppose feminism as an ideology.
I oppose it for the same reason I oppose socialism.

Sure, the movement i'm a part of grew out of it and has the same ideals broadly speaking, I just think their methods are completely apeshit and they need to stop talking and ruining the goals in the eyes of others.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

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Armadrone wrote:Fascism and communism should not be mixed but I agree with most of this. A lot of the Feminist movement today just promotes hate and gender roles. Which is bad for both sexes really and it also excludes cross gendered people as well. The Feminist fail to see that not everyone is female and male. As a male I am very horrified at them because they are a hate group and all they want is just reverse discrimination, where the men are mistreated. In stead of actually solving the problem. Its not a matter of sexism its matter of gender role created by religion all in which MUST be destroyed to achieve equality among the people. Then make sure the class system is equal and fair and abolish the class system. Thus leading us down the path of a golden age of Socialism.


Utopian drivel.

Gender roles weren't created by religion, they arose out of the biological and societial needs for early human culture.

And what would you say of the Ancient societies which were much more egalitarian?
The Sarmatians for example.

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Postby Vareiln » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Why? :eyebrow:

Because MRA is fucking bullcrap. To put it kindly.

This. MRA movements have yet to actually do anything that advances men's rights.
Feminism, on the other hand, has, and continues to.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

Cosara wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, it is the samething, ever heard of comfort women?

So, you are saying that rape and the holocaust are the same thing? HOW!?

If done on a mass scale in the same manner as the Holocaust was "just" murder on mass scale.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Indeed. In fact, plenty of us rebutting this crap are men.

Why? :eyebrow:


Oh my God, Karen, you can't just ask people why they're men.
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Zweite Alaje wrote:Yes, it is the samething, ever heard of comfort women?

So, you are saying that rape and the holocaust are the same thing? HOW!?

seriously. "holocaust rape". just type it right into your google search bar and hit enter. biggie or numpad i don't care. i use the numpad one because i always end up breaking my enter key, along with my arrow keys. i also used the numpad arrows. some games don't support it though, very annoying.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Well, you got attacked by unstable radicals. That sucks...but that's politics in a nutshell: the nutjobs are always the most visible.


Funding for male domestic violence victims in my area is extremely short compared to funding for females.
Yes, this is as a result of "feminist" pressure in the nation.
Yes, this has effected people I know.

You can scream all you like that feminism isn't like that.
Fine.
I know plenty of catholics who want gays to be able to get married. Doesn't mean shit. catholicism is still homophobic, and feminism is still misandrist.
We know this because of the organizations that represent them.


The lack of funding for male domestic violence victims is not the fault of feminism per se. Rather, it's due to the lack of visibility and the lack of enough social outrage regarding domestic violence against males.
I don't know many feminists that would ever say "male domestic violence victims don't deserve protection". And the few that would are misandrists, but they don't represent the whole of the movement.
Feminism is no more misandrist than LGBT rights are heterophobic.
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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Yes because rape culture gases women and baby's and works the strong to death like animals.

Finally, some people get this.

I hope to god that you are being sarcastic. :palm:
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:Because MRA is fucking bullcrap. To put it kindly.

Typical "feminist" bullshit. You just can't stand the concept of men having rights.


Except no-one here opposes men's rights.
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Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Typical "feminist" bullshit. You just can't stand the concept of men having rights.


Except no-one here opposes men's rights.

And yet you want to.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Finally, some people get this.

I hope to god that you are being sarcastic. :palm:


Knox's default setting is sarcasm.
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Postby Saruhan » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Why? :eyebrow:

Because MRA is fucking bullcrap. To put it kindly.

I'd rather disagree with that. Most is bullshit, however Child rights, divorce settlements, and (fuck I know there's a word for this but can't remember it now) child care payments are rather broken
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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Utopian drivel.

Gender roles weren't created by religion, they arose out of the biological and societial needs for early human culture.

And what would you say of the Ancient societies which were much more egalitarian?
The Sarmatians for example.

Yes, many early societies were very sexually egalitarian. Of course, "feminists" would just claim that those were "rape cultures".
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Postby Vareiln » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:It's sickening that men are always expected to pay the date, yeah. But other than that and a few violence remarks, I see no problem with feminism.

Feminism says that you shouldn't be expected to pay for the date.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

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Morally speaking, both events are similar, in the sense that they require hatred and disregard for the dignity of another human being. It's a horrible show of apathy, a violation of our own naturally empathetic proclivities.

Yes because rape culture gases women and baby's and works the strong to death like animals.


Not even remotely close to my point.

But thanks for the strawman.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

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Except no-one here opposes men's rights.

And yet you want to.


Please show me where I oppose men's rights. Quotes, please. Because I can quite confidently tell you that, as a man, I'm quite fond of men's rights.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Typical "feminist" bullshit. You just can't stand the concept of men having rights.


Except no-one here opposes men's rights.

There's a few who expect a lot of things from men, but think that expecting anything from women is sexism. Not many, but a few. And those few are fucking annoying.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Finally, some people get this.

I hope to god that you are being sarcastic. :palm:

Don't be silly, God doesn't even exist.

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Typical "feminist" bullshit. You just can't stand the concept of men having rights.


Except no-one here opposes men's rights.

Speak for yourself.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And what would you say of the Ancient societies which were much more egalitarian?
The Sarmatians for example.

Yes, many early societies were very sexually egalitarian. Of course, "feminists" would just claim that those were "rape cultures".

They wouldn't, please stop making shit up.

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Postby Vareiln » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

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Except no-one here opposes men's rights.

And yet you want to.

Please, describe in detail how he does.

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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Typical "feminist" bullshit. You just can't stand the concept of men having rights.


Except no-one here opposes men's rights.

Except it was just said. She actually said "men's rights is bullshit".
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Postby Socialist Space Republic » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

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Yes, many early societies were very sexually egalitarian. Of course, "feminists" would just claim that those were "rape cultures".[/quote]
Which feminists claim that? Also, where is your source for that? Which societies are you talking about?
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