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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:18 pm
by Individuality-ness
Napkiraly wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Modern "feminists", many of whom are on these forums actually despise women & themselves. They claim we have a "rape culture", in which it is acceptable to rape people. Furthermore, they don't give a fuck about the actual problems plaguing women, they instead attempt to distract the attention of women away from existing sexism in our society, & towards hating men. Thus is my conclusion:

-Seeing how the feminist movement was winning, they had to derail it

-They therefore set the bourgeoisie intellectuals to write in support of the movement

-Now that the bourgeoisie intellectuals have become an accepted part of the movement, they are able to derail it

-Derailment is accomplished through the promotion of bullshit theses such as "rape culture"

-Rather than being an anti-bigotry movement, feminism has now become a man-hating bigoted movement that only promotes gender roles

By promoting gender roles, women are taught to hate themselves & men, hence becoming a blockade to socialist revolution. Rather than being a socialist movement, feminism has become a form of anti-communist fascism.

What did I just read?

Bullshit.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:18 pm
by Arglorand
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Yes...Stop trying to decide for unconscious women, feminazi! If they are not conscious, they obviously want sex.

:rofl:

I swear this Free Council guy is the most fun wannabe socialist we had in a while.

Dokuritsu Nippon will never be topped, mate.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:18 pm
by South Kebabistan
I think that OP has generalised all feminists as radfems.

Most feminists are good people. This new wave of radfems is what I hate, most radical feminists just think men are all evil raping oppressors and should all be castrated, without giving reasons why. Most radfems are also against LGBT rights, especially trans rights. They constantly think of new ways they can consider themselves oppressed, creating buzzwords and whine about how men are the cause of their first world problems while avoiding the real issues women face. Some of them genuinely want a genocide of all men.
These radicals, who claim to be feminists probably make up about 1% of the feminist population, however and I hope you please notice I believe that 99% of feminists are good people.

Seriously, if walked up to me and said you were a radical feminist, i would slap you.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:19 pm
by Of the Free Socialist Territories
Free Council Communes wrote:It's not rape unless she withdraws consent


Consent is not something that exists in a default state of being given. It is something that exists in a default state of being withdrawn until it is given.

This is important.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:19 pm
by Napkiraly
Individuality-ness wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:What did I just read?

Bullshit.

That's being too nice.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:19 pm
by Genivaria
Free Council Communes wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:It's not as if, by dismantling rape culture, we're dismantling gender roles too.

Except rape culture doesn't fucking exist, it is just to distract your attention from the real sexism in your society.

Bullshit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:19 pm
by Liriena
New Tyran wrote:Feminism is flawed in many ways as is every religion or 'cult' but I disagree with your statement.


Feminism is not a religion or a cult. It doesn't believe in any form of supreme deity, or preach any deity-based dogma or moral codes.

What universe do you live in, and why is it so absurd?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Luveria
Just so everyone can see, this is how seriously the OP takes rape.

Free Council Communes wrote:fascists do deserve to get raped

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Liriena
Napkiraly wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Modern "feminists", many of whom are on these forums actually despise women & themselves. They claim we have a "rape culture", in which it is acceptable to rape people. Furthermore, they don't give a fuck about the actual problems plaguing women, they instead attempt to distract the attention of women away from existing sexism in our society, & towards hating men. Thus is my conclusion:

-Seeing how the feminist movement was winning, they had to derail it

-They therefore set the bourgeoisie intellectuals to write in support of the movement

-Now that the bourgeoisie intellectuals have become an accepted part of the movement, they are able to derail it

-Derailment is accomplished through the promotion of bullshit theses such as "rape culture"

-Rather than being an anti-bigotry movement, feminism has now become a man-hating bigoted movement that only promotes gender roles

By promoting gender roles, women are taught to hate themselves & men, hence becoming a blockade to socialist revolution. Rather than being a socialist movement, feminism has become a form of anti-communist fascism.

What did I just read?


Just keep walking. Don't look back.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Individuality-ness
Napkiraly wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Bullshit.

That's being too nice.

I dare not say what I really think.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Trotskylvania
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
That's your best retort? A two year old study is out of date? Just admit you're fucking wrong and move on.

No I will not admit to being wrong your imaginary "rape culture" does not exist. The defense in rape cases will always use what ever they can to get the rapist off of the charge. And I don't see how any one can be a "rape apologist" that makes no sense.

It's not defense attorneys that post disgusting comments in the media that blame rape victims for being "trashy whores", or lament that the lives of people who savagely raped an unconscious girl were ruined and their bright futures destroyed. It's not defense attorneys who talk about how rape victims must have been asking for it, or imply that most rape victims are lying (indeed, they'd probably be disbarred if they did).

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Kachilla
Free Council Communes wrote:Modern "feminists", many of whom are on these forums actually despise women & themselves. They claim we have a "rape culture", in which it is acceptable to rape people. Furthermore, they don't give a fuck about the actual problems plaguing women, they instead attempt to distract the attention of women away from existing sexism in our society, & towards hating men. Thus is my conclusion:

-Seeing how the feminist movement was winning, they had to derail it

-They therefore set the bourgeoisie intellectuals to write in support of the movement

-Now that the bourgeoisie intellectuals have become an accepted part of the movement, they are able to derail it

-Derailment is accomplished through the promotion of bullshit theses such as "rape culture"

-Rather than being an anti-bigotry movement, feminism has now become a man-hating bigoted movement that only promotes gender roles

By promoting gender roles, women are taught to hate themselves & men, hence becoming a blockade to socialist revolution. Rather than being a socialist movement, feminism has become a form of anti-communist fascism.


...What? Just. What?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Ostroeuropa
Khadgar wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:No I will not admit to being wrong your imaginary "rape culture" does not exist. The defense in rape cases will always use what ever they can to get the rapist off of the charge. And I don't see how any one can be a "rape apologist" that makes no sense.


Changing the subject. Admit you were wrong the pay gap still exists.


There are arguments that it's the result of previous sexism not current sexism in the market place.

For instance, a few decades ago, women were unlikely to believe they were likely to climb the corporate ladder.
Because of sexism.
As a result they made different choices with regard to their professional and personal lives that resulted in their careers at the moment being unprofitable.

Now that the market is considerably less sexist, the middle-aged and over are skewing the results.
I don't know how to feel about that argument.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:20 pm
by Free Council Communes
Luveria wrote:Just so everyone can see, this is how seriously the OP takes rape.

Free Council Communes wrote:fascists do deserve to get raped

I stand by what I said.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by The Joseon Dynasty
Genivaria wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Except rape culture doesn't fucking exist, it is just to distract your attention from the real sexism in your society.

Bullshit.
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When was that survey conducted?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by TaQud
Luveria wrote:Just so everyone can see, this is how seriously the OP takes rape.

Free Council Communes wrote:fascists do deserve to get raped

wow :palm:

My view of feminism.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by New Tyran
Here are my problems with feminism.

1 - If feminism really promotes sex equality, why cant they change their name to something more palatable? The term 'feminism' gives the impression that women are looking for female power and not equality.
2 - What do they have against women's beauty and women using that beauty to form a career? After all not all women have intelligence to fall back on. Intelligence is just as much a biological asset as beauty, so why cant women utilise such an asset? Isn't one women's mascara another women's encyclopedia?
3- Also, why should women cover up? How is it liberating women when in actuality you are oppressing them.
4- Why don't some feminists recognise Misandry (interesting how spell check doesn't recognise this as word) as a problem and something that is obviously fuelled by their doctrine? At college for sociology, I was made to study feminism and the oppression of men - but why isn't the opposite pursued for study? (I once did a powerpoint presentation on Misandry and the covert rise that has formed of accepted misandrious beliefs in our society)
5 - Why do feminists complain that society is a patriarchal one? I can speak for experience as my boss is female, that this clearly isn't the case. Our society is built on a meritocracy basis now in the 21st century, so why should we hand women jobs in high power through default and that alone. Wouldn't that constitute, in effect, positive sexism? Which is not equality!
5)Why is violence towards women horrifying and violence towards men funny? I think violence is unnecessary in either situation. But why is a man vilified for being beaten up by a women, but considered a monster when the tables are turned?
6 - Why is the term 'girl power' not considered a form of chauvinism? If it was 'man power' then would it be met with similar reactions? I don't think so.

There are loads more problems I have, but will be here all night typing them.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by Zweite Alaje
Arglorand wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote: :rofl:

I swear this Free Council guy is the most fun wannabe socialist we had in a while.

Dokuritsu Nippon will never be topped, mate.


Tru dat, I forgot about him/her!!!

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by Liriena
Luveria wrote:Just so everyone can see, this is how seriously the OP takes rape.

Free Council Communes wrote:fascists do deserve to get raped


That line of thought disqualifies him from being taken seriously on pretty much any issue.
I don't appreciate fascists either, but wishing rape upon them is in no way morally acceptable.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by Arglorand
Luveria wrote:Just so everyone can see, this is how seriously the OP takes rape.

Free Council Communes wrote:fascists do deserve to get raped

He also defines a wide, wide category of political beliefs as fascist, most of them not only unrelated to fascism, but entirely opposed to it, so... I'mma go get raped. Good luck guys.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by Individuality-ness
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Bullshit.
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When was that survey conducted?

I don't know, I saw it on Facebook.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:21 pm
by Napkiraly
Liriena wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:What did I just read?


Just keep walking. Don't look back.

I wish I could but....fuck.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:22 pm
by Trotskylvania
Free Council Communes wrote:
Trotskylvania wrote:Then you've contradicted yourself.

So tell me, which is it? Do they have to explicitly say no, or don't they?

Read what I actually said. It's not rape unless she withdraws consent, unless she is incapable of doing so.

Consent is not a default state, rapist.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:22 pm
by Napkiraly
Individuality-ness wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:That's being too nice.

I dare not say what I really think.

Same. I'd rather not get a warning.

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:22 pm
by Zweite Alaje
TaQud wrote:
Luveria wrote:Just so everyone can see, this is how seriously the OP takes rape.


wow :palm:

Rape is an important part of the socialist revolution, gotta fuck the dissent out of the masses. *nods*