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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:28 pm

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Rapists and people who encourage them.

Who encourages rapist? Who? there parents their close friends their home town?


Every time someone says stupid shit like "It isn't rape if-"
or "They dress provocatively it's their own fault"
you are justifying rape, which helps rapists to justify their action to themselves.
Shockingly, not all rapists are complete monsters, a lot are just idiots who get horny and have been taught the wrong thing by the wrong people.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:28 pm

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Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!


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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:28 pm

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Free Council Communes wrote:Except I'm actually sexually submissive, I have no desire to gain sexual power over anyone.

Then why do you wish to rape anyone?

I don't.
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Postby Page » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:28 pm

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the only male left on Earth who doesn't need to bash feminism to compensate for insecurity. Never once has my quality of life been inhibited by feminists and what they fight for.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:28 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!

What Holocaust? Even then it is still not okay.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

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Free Council Communes wrote:Except I'm actually sexually submissive, I have no desire to gain sexual power over anyone.

He means political power.


I mean both types. He supports it being used as a political weapon, and he supports it being used by "revolutionaries" to terrify people into obedience at an individual level.
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!

How will mass raping fascists stop another holocaust? In fact, you ARE committing a holocaust of sorts. You know, among all of us, YOU are the actual fascist.
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Postby New Tyran » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!


What the fuck is wrong with you?

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:He means political power.


I mean both types. He supports it being used as a political weapon, and he supports it being used by "revolutionaries" to terrify people into obedience at an individual level.

I stand corrected.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

New Tyran wrote:Here are my problems with feminism.

1 - If feminism really promotes sex equality, why cant they change their name to something more palatable? The term 'feminism' gives the impression that women are looking for female power and not equality.
2 - What do they have against women's beauty and women using that beauty to form a career? After all not all women have intelligence to fall back on. Intelligence is just as much a biological asset as beauty, so why cant women utilise such an asset? Isn't one women's mascara another women's encyclopedia?
3- Also, why should women cover up? How is it liberating women when in actuality you are oppressing them.
4- Why don't some feminists recognise Misandry (interesting how spell check doesn't recognise this as word) as a problem and something that is obviously fuelled by their doctrine? At college for sociology, I was made to study feminism and the oppression of men - but why isn't the opposite pursued for study? (I once did a powerpoint presentation on Misandry and the covert rise that has formed of accepted misandrious beliefs in our society)
5 - Why do feminists complain that society is a patriarchal one? I can speak for experience as my boss is female, that this clearly isn't the case. Our society is built on a meritocracy basis now in the 21st century, so why should we hand women jobs in high power through default and that alone. Wouldn't that constitute, in effect, positive sexism? Which is not equality!
5)Why is violence towards women horrifying and violence towards men funny? I think violence is unnecessary in either situation. But why is a man vilified for being beaten up by a women, but considered a monster when the tables are turned?
6 - Why is the term 'girl power' not considered a form of chauvinism? If it was 'man power' then would it be met with similar reactions? I don't think so.

There are loads more problems I have, but will be here all night typing them.


1 - Because feminism, as a movement, was born to address the inherent marginalization of women in human society. If men had been equally marginalized (which is a rather absurd premise), then maybe the movement could have been born with a different name. This "problem" is no problem at all, it's just you arguing semantics from an astoundingly ignorant stance.

2 - First of all, that's a massive strawman. Second of all, the feminists that protest such things, they don't do it because they reject physical beauty, but because, in many cases, physical beauty is the ONLY asset that many men respect or even care about in women. It trivializes women and objectifies them.

3 - Where the hell did you get that strawman from? Stop arguing against an imaginary detractor, please.

4 - They don't address misandry because it is not their moral, ethical or ideological responsibility. Feminism addresses the widespread and deeply-seated inequality of women in society. Misandry is, at best, a minoritarian problem that has little to no cultural or social effect on the majority of men, and does not need the input of feminism.

5 - You are speaking from personal experienced and an hugely ignorant view of gender relations in the world. Please, for fuck's sake, inform yourself.

5) Again, where the fuck did you find that strawman?

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Postby Trotskylvania » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Showing that your opinion is worthless, as you don't consider rape inherently wrong, but as a tool to attack people with.

You view rape as a weapon. You view rape as something to attack and scare people with. You view it as something with which you can punish people. You view it as something with which you can gain power over someone.

Except I'm actually sexually submissive, I have no desire to gain sexual power over anyone.

Yeah, I'm not gonna believe that, Mr. The Marquis de Sade is Mai Husbando...
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!


What?

No, seriously, what? How the hell is raping people going to prevent genocide?
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Postby Saruhan » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Nazis in Space wrote:>modern feminism
>rant about an - admittedly vocal - minority of second wave feminists from the 1960s & 1970s who, forty years later, have either moderated their views, are dead, or thoroughly ignored


OP, please. Don't make it quite this easy to disregard your opinion as blatantly ignorant.

Not all second-wave feminists were bad, I am a great admirer Simone de Beauvoir. Like me, she was also a admirer of De Sade.

>Communist
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Anyway, I really don't see what the point of this entire rant is
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!

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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Most of the people here appear to think that rape is worse then genocide.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

New Tyran wrote:Here are my problems with feminism.

1 - If feminism really promotes sex equality, why cant they change their name to something more palatable? The term 'feminism' gives the impression that women are looking for female power and not equality.

Because much of what we were working for are for women's rights, women's issues?

New Tyran wrote:2 - What do they have against women's beauty and women using that beauty to form a career? After all not all women have intelligence to fall back on. Intelligence is just as much a biological asset as beauty, so why cant women utilise such an asset? Isn't one women's mascara another women's encyclopedia?

Because the way they do it is objectification? Because the industry standard of Photoshopping them to have bigger boobs and eyes, emphasizing thin and weight as if that's the holy grail, starving their models to be thin, is dehumanizing?

New Tyran wrote:3- Also, why should women cover up? How is it liberating women when in actuality you are oppressing them.

I don't know any feminist who's arguing that women are too slutty?

New Tyran wrote:4- Why don't some feminists recognise Misandry (interesting how spell check doesn't recognise this as word) as a problem and something that is obviously fuelled by their doctrine?

Because they're assholes?

New Tyran wrote:At college for sociology, I was made to study feminism and the oppression of men - but why isn't the opposite pursued for study? (I once did a powerpoint presentation on Misandry and the covert rise that has formed of accepted misandrious beliefs in our society)

Because the patriarchy hurts women more, even though it also hurts men?

New Tyran wrote:5 - Why do feminists complain that society is a patriarchal one?

Because men are oppressing women still? We still have rape culture and victim blaming and people trying to deny us the right to our body damn it. Women are still being underpaid. The GOP -- which consists of white men -- wishes to deny us access to contraception, abortion, Planned Parenthood. It goes on and on.

New Tyran wrote:I can speak for experience as my boss is female, that this clearly isn't the case. Our society is built on a meritocracy basis now in the 21st century, so why should we hand women jobs in high power through default and that alone. Wouldn't that constitute, in effect, positive sexism? Which is not equality!

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New Tyran wrote:5)Why is violence towards women horrifying and violence towards men funny?

Because the patriarchy.

New Tyran wrote:I think violence is unnecessary in either situation. But why is a man vilified for being beaten up by a women, but considered a monster when the tables are turned?

Because gender roles are stupid.

New Tyran wrote:6 - Why is the term 'girl power' not considered a form of chauvinism? If it was 'man power' then would it be met with similar reactions? I don't think so.

Men have a privilege that women do not have.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
And yet you support it being used by others to gain power over others.

You might not want to rape someone yourself, but you support those who do.

If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!

Rapists.
Using rape to stop holocausts since 1942....
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Arglorand wrote:
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What's weirder is, the question has an obvious answer.

I seriously wonder if there's anyone on NSG who would say that there are other answers than "Never".

... Actually, no, I don't, there's probably a HORRIFIC amount of potential rapists here.

child porn is bad and should not be allowed
rape is rape and rape is bad
assault is assault and assault is bad

you would think these are all obvious questions that would garner a 100% consensus

you would think wrong

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Postby The Broken Imperial Sector » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Broken Imperial Sector wrote:Who encourages rapist? Who? there parents their close friends their home town?


Every time someone says stupid shit like "It isn't rape if-"
or "They dress provocatively it's their own fault"
you are justifying rape, which helps rapists to justify their action to themselves.
Shockingly, not all rapists are complete monsters, a lot are just idiots who get horny and have been taught the wrong thing by the wrong people.

Actually all rapist both men and women are scrum and should be shot or imprisoned for life. The only thing that makes sex not rape is for both parties to consent to it and willing do it.And everyone should be smart enough to know that no means no!
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:Most of the people here appear to think that rape is worse then genocide.

How the fuck does rape prevent genocide.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:Most of the people here appear to think that rape is worse then genocide.


No, they're both shit. What's bizarre is your idea that the former can stop the latter.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!


What?

No, seriously, what? How the hell is raping people going to prevent genocide?


It's hypothetical, okay!?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:If it is to stop another holocaust, you are damn right it I do!


What?

No, seriously, what? How the hell is raping people going to prevent genocide?


I can think of only a few bizarre scenario's that'd require omniscience to know the consequences.
/rape mrs hitler the night before she meets mr hitler so she's in the police station next morning

that kind of shit.

And even then, you could just kidnap her for the night instead.
The rape is completely unnecessary.
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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:31 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Not all second-wave feminists were bad, I am a great admirer Simone de Beauvoir. Like me, she was also a admirer of De Sade.

>Communist
>admires Nazi collaborator



Anyway, I really don't see what the point of this entire rant is

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:31 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:Most of the people here appear to think that rape is worse then genocide.

they often go hand in hand :-)
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