"Women want sex, just not with YOU."

[Samuraikoku]

So now opinions are facts ? That actually explains alot of your views.

Except mine are backed by the law.

I have answered your question and if you can't grasp it, it is not my fault. I am not getting paid to teach you or anything. I don't intend to do it out of my kind nature either.

I'll take that as a TKO.

[Anachronous Rex]

Hey Aghny, just because I am enamored of your expertise in biology, tell me what developmental feature all vertebrate blastula have in common?

[Condunum]

For someone who has done nothing but offer misogynistic, laughably uninformed opinions unsupported by anything resembling a fact you sure do chirp that one a lot.

I am not the one acting like "everything" i post is fact.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it more true.

So now opinions are facts ? That actually explains alot of your views.

I have answered your question and if you can't grasp it, it is not my fault. I am not getting paid to teach you or anything. I don't intend to do it out of my kind nature either.

Not that you get paid to teach anyway. Or that anyone would want to.

[Aghny]

Not that this will be Listened to, but..

"Consent refers to the provision of approval or agreement, particularly and especially after thoughtful consideration."

"Implied consent is a controversial form of consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather inferred from a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction)."

Consent is a psychological state of approval of an agreement. implied consenst is a concept you are trying to argue for without actually understanding. The only way to achieve implied consent is through non-verbal displays of agreement. I.E.: She takes her clothes off.

Case here, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Yet in practice, the notion of consent varies and are highly subjective. If you can link some research that shows it is objective in nature, i will humbly leave this thread.

If the bolded part is the question then you shouldn't, if the situation was as i mentioned.

So why should we assume one automatically must say yes to have sex?

Yep, you don't understand my posts.

[Choronzon]

Next time I get pulled over for speeding I'll be sure to point out to the officer that its just his opinion that I was breaking the law, and that its just his opinion that the speed limit is 65, and that opinions aren't facts.

[Choronzon]

Yep, you don't understand my posts.

Oh no, we do.

Thats what makes them so contemptible.

[Samuraikoku]

Yep, you don't understand my posts.

Not my fault you can't express yourself adequately. Or choose to be intentionally unclear, and intellectually dishonest.

[Choronzon]

Or choose to be intentionally unclear, and intellectually dishonest.

Bingo.

[Aghny]

So now opinions are facts ? That actually explains alot of your views.

Except mine are backed by the law.

Which means nothing as a whole since laws are different in different countries and are prone ot change at any moment. Not to mentions laws cannot be taken as facts

[Khadgar]

Next time I get pulled over for speeding I'll be sure to point out to the officer that its just his opinion that I was breaking the law, and that its just his opinion that the speed limit is 65, and that opinions aren't facts.

Observable reality is so mainstream.

[Choronzon]

Except mine are backed by the law.

Which means nothing as a whole since laws are different in different countries and are prone ot change at any moment. Not to mentions laws cannot be taken as facts

Rad.

[Condunum]

Not that this will be Listened to, but..

"Consent refers to the provision of approval or agreement, particularly and especially after thoughtful consideration."

"Implied consent is a controversial form of consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather inferred from a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction)."

Consent is a psychological state of approval of an agreement. implied consenst is a concept you are trying to argue for without actually understanding. The only way to achieve implied consent is through non-verbal displays of agreement. I.E.: She takes her clothes off.

Case here, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Yet in practice, the notion of consent varies and are highly subjective. If you can link some research that shows it is objective in nature, i will humbly leave this thread.

So why should we assume one automatically must say yes to have sex?

Yep, you don't understand my posts.

Why does it have to be objective to not assume consent? That makes no sense.

[Samuraikoku]

Which means nothing as a whole since laws are different in different countries and are prone ot change at any moment. Not to mentions laws cannot be taken as facts

Try arguing that when you get detained for sexual assault.

[Dragoria]

Not that this will be Listened to, but..

"Consent refers to the provision of approval or agreement, particularly and especially after thoughtful consideration."

"Implied consent is a controversial form of consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather inferred from a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction)."

Consent is a psychological state of approval of an agreement. implied consenst is a concept you are trying to argue for without actually understanding. The only way to achieve implied consent is through non-verbal displays of agreement. I.E.: She takes her clothes off.

Case here, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Please, PLEASE don't encourage them to confuse implied consent and non-verbal consent.
"She takes her clothes off" is non-verbal consent (active/enthusiastic participation)
Implied consent is "she never said yes, but I could tell she wanted it because X (outfit, alcohol consumption, "didn't say no").

Implied Consent is in cases where a police officer tells you to take a breathalyzer and you refuse, go to court, and the judge says "By operating a car, you gave implied consent to the breathalyzer".
Implied consent will not hold up as a defense against a rape charge.

[Aghny]

Yep, you don't understand my posts.

Not my fault you can't express yourself adequately. Or choose to be intentionally unclear, and intellectually dishonest.

Or, you just need it written in simpler sentences.

Hey Aghny, just because I am enamored of your expertise in biology, tell me what developmental feature all vertebrate blastula have in common?

And what exactly will it prove anyway ? Google you know, makes things like these redundant. And i never said that i was an expert in biology. If i was, do you think i would have been just a professor ?

[Samuraikoku]

Or, you just need it written in simpler sentences.

Then do, by all means.

[Anachronous Rex]

Not my fault you can't express yourself adequately. Or choose to be intentionally unclear, and intellectually dishonest.

Or, you just need it written in simpler sentences.

Hey Aghny, just because I am enamored of your expertise in biology, tell me what developmental feature all vertebrate blastula have in common?

And what exactly will it prove anyway ? Google you know, makes things like these redundant. And i never said that i was an expert in biology. If i was, do you think i would have been just a professor ?

Oh come on, this is an easy one.

A first year bio student would know it.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Then misogyny is not always bad, by your definition. In all seriousness, I feel that I have an obligation to at least try to hold a door open for a lady if I can do so with no great inconvenience or awkwardness. And if a woman who is my senior and with whom I maintain a professional relationship enters a room where I am I feel obligated to stand in many cases. So my being polite is misogyny.

Nah it's always bad.

And chivalry is dying for a reason.

[Condunum]

Not that this will be Listened to, but..

"Consent refers to the provision of approval or agreement, particularly and especially after thoughtful consideration."

"Implied consent is a controversial form of consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather inferred from a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction)."

Consent is a psychological state of approval of an agreement. implied consenst is a concept you are trying to argue for without actually understanding. The only way to achieve implied consent is through non-verbal displays of agreement. I.E.: She takes her clothes off.

Case here, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Please, PLEASE don't encourage them to confuse implied consent and non-verbal consent.
"She takes her clothes off" is non-verbal consent (active/enthusiastic participation)
Implied consent is "she never said yes, but I could tell she wanted it because X (outfit, alcohol consumption, "didn't say no").

Implied Consent is in cases where a police officer tells you to take a breathalyzer and you refuse, go to court, and the judge says "By operating a car, you gave implied consent to the breathalyzer".
Implied consent will not hold up as a defense against a rape charge.

It's the same. Your actions display non-verbal consent to the breathalyzer, no? In that sense, non-verbal consent is a very dodgy,hard to prove stance. Which is why you need to prove real, verbal consent as a defense. Otherwise, rape.

[Samuraikoku]

And chivalry is dying for a reason.

Technically speaking, it was aborted. Knights are known not to have followed their own code.

[Aghny]

Why does it have to be objective to not assume consent? That makes no sense.

Assumptions doesn't have to be true. And one can in the same way assume consent.

Which means nothing as a whole since laws are different in different countries and are prone to change at any moment. Not to mentions laws cannot be taken as facts

Try arguing that when you get detained for sexual assault.

Different countries mean i won't be detained for what you consider rape, because that is not the law here.

[Condunum]

Not my fault you can't express yourself adequately. Or choose to be intentionally unclear, and intellectually dishonest.

Or, you just need it written in simpler sentences.

Hey Aghny, just because I am enamored of your expertise in biology, tell me what developmental feature all vertebrate blastula have in common?

And what exactly will it prove anyway ? Google you know, makes things like these redundant. And i never said that i was an expert in biology. If i was, do you think i would have been just a professor ?

Hypothesis: He is 14 and trying to get kicks from pissing you guys off.

[Condunum]

Why does it have to be objective to not assume consent? That makes no sense.

Assumptions doesn't have to be true. And one can in the same way assume consent.

In that case, then she didn't consent. Case closed.

[Samuraikoku]

Different countries mean i won't be detained for what you consider rape, because that is not the law here.

You will in America, Argentina, Germany and Lithuania. And if you're somewhere else, please show me where. I'll search the appropriate law as I did with Ljvonia.

[Choronzon]

What I don't understand is why people insist on trying so hard to justify their shitty behavior and rapist like attitudes rather than correct them. Are their egos so fragile where admitting that perhaps you were looking at something wrong or a particular view is harmful will just shatter their self image and worth? Or is there some more sinister motive which gets certain posters so defensive when you talk about consent and rape culture?