"Women want sex, just not with YOU."

[Choronzon]

*drums fingers on desk*

Stop mixing your argumentative modi and we'll perhaps be able to include you again.

So, you have no answer? Unsurprising. Your dodge is obvious to everyone. I suspect your answer is "Women's bodies exist in a state of default consent because I am entitled to their bodies."

Your analogy is false, but I bet you know that very well.

Actually it works perfectly. In both instances you are using someone's body without their consent. But I understand that this is way, way over your head and that you have no answer to it so you dismiss it. Its kind of how you guys do things. See the whole "THE LAW IS JUST AN OPINIONNN!!!!!" as my example.

I'll ask again, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent?

[Aghny]

Not my fault if you read my post and make up the wrong assumptions

Not my fault you are attempting to dodge the fact that you got caught.

I fail to see that.

Let us take this example. Let us say that you walked into a moving train, knowingly. No one pushed you into it. You simply walked into it. It is the drivers fault if he couldn't see you and stop the train in time ?

If you have a choice, but make the wrong one and then regret it later, you are the one to blame.

Except in rape there is no choice. That's the idea.

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

[Choronzon]

Nu-uh, no cherrypicking.

Not my fault if you read my post and make up the wrong assumptions

*drums fingers on desk*

Let us take this example. Let us say that you walked into a moving train, knowingly. No one pushed you into it. You simply walked into it. It is the drivers fault if he couldn't see you and stop the train in time ?

If you have a choice, but make the wrong one and then regret it later, you are the one to blame.

Answer my question, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop these transparent dodges.

[Ljvonia]

Stop mixing your argumentative modi and we'll perhaps be able to include you again. Your analogy is false, but I bet you know that very well.

Why do you think it's funny, oh wise professor?

Aghny was the professor, I'm just a line-cook, my friend. I fibnd it hilarious how this person gets all riled up on his own arguments... is he trying to tr*ll me and it has backfired? Or does he truly not see how his analogy compares...what do you call it, apples and melons? Can anyone be that stupid? I have no idea, but the fact that he sounds so very mad is hilarious.

[Choronzon]

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

You have no clue what you're talking about, but thats apparent by now.

[Seperates]

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

I don't think you know what social and cultural forces are, do you? Or what drugging is.

[Aghny]

Not my fault if you read my post and make up the wrong assumptions



Let us take this example. Let us say that you walked into a moving train, knowingly. No one pushed you into it. You simply walked into it. It is the drivers fault if he couldn't see you and stop the train in time ?

If you have a choice, but make the wrong one and then regret it later, you are the one to blame.

Answer my question, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop these transparent dodges.

Only if you answer mine. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of no-consent ?

[Choronzon]

Why do you think it's funny, oh wise professor?

Aghny was the professor, I'm just a line-cook, my friend. I fibnd it hilarious how this person gets all riled up on his own arguments... is he trying to tr*ll me and it has backfired? Or does he truly not see how his analogy compares...what do you call it, apples and melons? Can anyone be that stupid? I have no idea, but the fact that he sounds so very mad is hilarious.

In both instances someone's body is being used against their consent. The analogy works. Your inability to comprehend it is your own problem.

So, I ask again. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop the transparent dodging.

[Ljvonia]

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

Yes, precisely. Especially if you're dealing with a sane and educated individual who will stop on the utt'rance of a simple "no"!

[Seperates]

Why do you think it's funny, oh wise professor?

Aghny was the professor, I'm just a line-cook, my friend. I fibnd it hilarious how this person gets all riled up on his own arguments... is he trying to tr*ll me and it has backfired? Or does he truly not see how his analogy compares...what do you call it, apples and melons? Can anyone be that stupid? I have no idea, but the fact that he sounds so very mad is hilarious.

My apologies then.

But really, refute his arguement, because it deals with bodily consent, as does rape,

[Choronzon]

Answer my question, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop these transparent dodges.

Only if you answer mine. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of no-consent ?

Because thats how bodily autonomy works. You get to decide who uses it and how. They're not public property. Its really, really not that fucking hard to grasp "professor."

So, tell me, why are women's bodies public property? Why do they exist in a state of default consent.

[Choronzon]

Aghny was the professor, I'm just a line-cook, my friend. I fibnd it hilarious how this person gets all riled up on his own arguments... is he trying to tr*ll me and it has backfired? Or does he truly not see how his analogy compares...what do you call it, apples and melons? Can anyone be that stupid? I have no idea, but the fact that he sounds so very mad is hilarious.

My apologies then.

But really, refute his arguement, because it deals with bodily consent, as does rape,

Its easier to just dismiss the analogy I guess. Can't very well admit you don't get it after trying so hard to make us all think that he's just so smart and so above us.

[Aghny]

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

I don't think you know what social and cultural forces are, do you? Or what drugging is.

Drugging falls in the same category.

As for social and cultural forces, you do have a choice. If you don't make the right one, making excuses won't change the fact that it is infact your fault.

[Seperates]

Answer my question, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop these transparent dodges.

Only if you answer mine. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of no-consent ?

Because I am not entitled to harvest your organs. Or inject you. Or drug you. Or *gasp* have sex with you.

[Choronzon]

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

Yes, precisely. Especially if you're dealing with a sane and educated individual who will stop on the utt'rance of a simple "no"!

You're wrong. A single day in the real world will reveal how wrong you are.

[Aghny]

Only if you answer mine. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of no-consent ?

Because thats how bodily autonomy works. You get to decide who uses it and how. They're not public property. Its really, really not that fucking hard to grasp "professor."

I could just simply say that it is not how it works too.

And if you don't decide to stop anyone from using it, that means you are deciding to let them use it.

[Choronzon]

Aghny was the professor, I'm just a line-cook, my friend. I fibnd it hilarious how this person gets all riled up on his own arguments... is he trying to tr*ll me and it has backfired? Or does he truly not see how his analogy compares...what do you call it, apples and melons? Can anyone be that stupid? I have no idea, but the fact that he sounds so very mad is hilarious.

In both instances someone's body is being used against their consent. The analogy works. Your inability to comprehend it is your own problem.

So, I ask again. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop the transparent dodging.

Can I just assume then that all the rape apologists have no answer to this? Or rather that they have an answer, but to say it outloud would reveal their contemptible views on women for all to read?

[Seperates]

I don't think you know what social and cultural forces are, do you? Or what drugging is.

Drugging falls in the same category.

As for social and cultural forces, you do have a choice. If you don't make the right one, making excuses won't change the fact that it is infact your fault.

No, in many cases, either one results in a somewhat negative outcome. Either you are ridiculed by your friends or you need that job or you need that social security check (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo comes to mind) and you. do. not. have. a. choice.

[Choronzon]

Because thats how bodily autonomy works. You get to decide who uses it and how. They're not public property. Its really, really not that fucking hard to grasp "professor."

I could just simply say that it is not how it works too.

Only if you disagree with the concept of bodily autonomy, which would explain a lot.

And if you don't decide to stop anyone from using it, that means you are deciding to let them use it.

No, actually it doesn't. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Why do you assume you have an entitlement to women's bodies?

[Ljvonia]

Aghny was the professor, I'm just a line-cook, my friend. I fibnd it hilarious how this person gets all riled up on his own arguments... is he trying to tr*ll me and it has backfired? Or does he truly not see how his analogy compares...what do you call it, apples and melons? Can anyone be that stupid? I have no idea, but the fact that he sounds so very mad is hilarious.

In both instances someone's body is being used against their consent. The analogy works. Your inability to comprehend it is your own problem.

Stow the insults, they just show to what point your argument has progressed. As for the analogy: if all I would have to say was no - fine, go ahead. Also If I was free from actual harm, like if I was braindead and my organs still running - fine by me that a willingness is assumed. Note: willingness, not consent.

so, I ask again. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? Stop the transparent dodging.

You people said consent could be best defined by what it wasn't? I say that is wrong. Consent is lack of dissent, just as dissent is lack of consent. These two terms balance each other, and given the correct situation - consent can be assumed. As Aghny said: consent can take various shapes, not only those you people see as absolutes. Why (to follow your strange interpretation for a few words) should also the burden of asking be placed on the one side over the other? Why do male bodies exist in a state of (what was it again...oh yes.) "rape apologism"

[Seperates]

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

Yes, precisely. Especially if you're dealing with a sane and educated individual who will stop on the utt'rance of a simple "no"!

Why do you think that normally rational people can't get caught up in their sexual libido?

[Aghny]

Drugging falls in the same category.

As for social and cultural forces, you do have a choice. If you don't make the right one, making excuses won't change the fact that it is infact your fault.

No, in many cases, either one results in a somewhat negative outcome. Either you are ridiculed by your friends or you need that job or you need that social security check (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo comes to mind)

And guess what ? That is a choice right there. It is upto you to choose the outcome. You can simply choose not to have sex if you are physically able to.

[Seperates]

No, in many cases, either one results in a somewhat negative outcome. Either you are ridiculed by your friends or you need that job or you need that social security check (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo comes to mind)

And guess what ? That is a choice right there. It is upto you to choose the outcome. You can simply choose not to have sex if you are physically able to.

Starvation or rape... it's your choice. The poor have no right to their bodies, amirite?

[Samuraikoku]

You obviously know nothing about American law. I know CPR but if I saw someone dying I'm under no obligation to help unless I'm being paid to, they are my child, or their harm was my fault in which case I have an obligation to at least get help.

Thank goodness I didn't mention where the duty to rescue law fell under, right?

I fail to see that.

I suspect you don't.

Unless you are physically overwhelmed, you have a choice.

Rape apologist.

[Choronzon]

Stow the insults,

No.

they just show to what point your argument has progressed. As for the analogy: if all I would have to say was no - fine, go ahead. Also If I was free from actual harm, like if I was braindead and my organs still running - fine by me that a willingness is assumed. Note: willingness, not consent.

So if you don't explicitly say no I can harvest your organs.

Got it.

You people said consent could be best defined by what it wasn't? I say that is wrong. Consent is lack of dissent, just as dissent is lack of consent. These two terms balance each other, and given the correct situation - consent can be assumed. As Aghny said: consent can take various shapes, not only those you people see as absolutes.

Consent cannot be assumed. Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent? You have yet to answer that question.

Why (to follow your strange interpretation for a few words) should also the burden of asking be placed on the one side over the other?

Are you seriously asking why you have to ask to have sex with someone?

Why do male bodies exist in a state of (what was it again...oh yes.) "rape apologism"

Male bodies don't exist in a state of "rape apologism." You and your friends are rape apologists. I do not lump myself in with you.