"Women want sex, just not with YOU."

[Herador]

Why should they have to?

Because if they don't, it is an "yes".

"Yes" means "yes", nothing else.

[Choronzon]

And yet, people manage to prove it all the time.

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So no one has ever been convicted of rape?

[Aghny]

As a professor, there was a compulsory class on psychology in general for my degrees.

As for fending for themselves, quote me saying that and i will give you a cookie.

But as for the rest of it, your only fault is that you didn't take any action against it. You also admitted to lying to the authorities. So you had a chance to make it stop, yet you didn't.

Make it Oreos, please.

So telling the cops the truth is the same as "fending for themselves" ?

[Seperates]

Then you are wrong. Just because there is no verbal expression of displeasure doesn't mean there is no objection.

And that is the legal definition. So fucking deal with it.

And a non-threatening enviorment means that you are not threatening to bash their head in with a rock or kill their family if they do not have sex with you. Or a non-verbal threat of firing if you are their boss.

Yet if you can't prove such an objection happened, it won't hold in the court of law.

Which is a shame and indicative of the rape culture mentality.

Fortunatly, there are plenty of examples that contradict that. Steubenville comes to mind, as it was the most recent.

[Choronzon]

That I consider false: it is easier to have sex with those who do not object to it.

Tell me, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent?

Still waiting.

[Samuraikoku]

So telling the cops the truth is the same as "fending for themselves" ?

Nu-uh, no cherrypicking.

[Individuality-ness]

Yet if you can't prove such an objection happened, it won't hold in the court of law.

Which is a shame and indicative of the rape culture mentality.

Fortunatly, there are plenty of examples that contradict that. Steubenville comes to mind, as it was the most recent.

Oh, but he was too busy being a rape apologist to watch the news!

[Anachronous Rex]

You'll forgive me if your "experiences" are not a trustworthy source. I'd like to know what expertise you have in the field of child psychology that justifies this claim.

The average age of first menstruation is 12, but can begin much sooner. So apparently ~12 year olds should fend for themselves? That's just lovely.

As a professor, there was a compulsory class on psychology in general for my degrees.

No one is buying it. The smallest of reasons being that true academics always caveat when they're arguing out of their depth.

As for fending for themselves, quote me saying that and i will give you a cookie.

"But as for the rest of it, your only fault is that you didn't take any action against it. You also admitted to lying to the authorities. So you had a chance to make it stop, yet you didn't."

[Delmonte]

Tell me: Why is it so hard to utter a monosyllabic "no"?

Because you don't go around assuming people say yes to anything. Because you are supposed to have the average modicum of intelligence and civility to know the people around you may not want you to do anything to them.

To be fair there is plenty of legal precedent for assumed consent. Performing CPR on someone, for instance. But it's more common than that. If I walked up to a random guy and started rubbing his shoulders sexily that would be battery. If I did that to my boyfriend it is not because in the course of our relationship consent is implied until he tells me no or whatever. If you have sex with someone it is totally reasonable to assume that PDA with them is acceptable unless they say otherwise. I also assume he consents to sex with me until he says he doesn't. Obviously if he doesn't want to we won't. But the status quo is that he does.

[Choronzon]

Because if they don't, it is an "yes".

Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent?

You have not explicitly told me I cannot harvest your organs. Therefore I can only assume you consent to me harvesting your organs. Now breathe deeply into this cloth....

*drums fingers on desk*

[Aghny]

Because if they don't, it is an "yes".

"Yes" means "yes", nothing else.

Prove it. Wait opinions are facts here./sarcasm

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So no one has ever been convicted of rape?

No one on the basis of the so called lack of "yes" consent. Atleast not here. I don't know about other countries.

[Samuraikoku]

To be fair there is plenty of legal precedent for assumed consent. Performing CPR on someone, for instance.

Consent is irrelevant in CPR. There's a legal obligation to help.

If you have sex with someone it is totally reasonable to assume that PDA with them is acceptable unless they say otherwise. I also assume he consents to sex with me until he says he doesn't. Obviously if he doesn't want to we won't. But the status quo is that he does.

I assume you haven't been reading.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Why should they have to?

Because if they don't, it is an "yes".

Please do explain how not saying "yes" is equivalent to saying "yes".

[Samuraikoku]

No one on the basis of the so called lack of "yes" consent. Atleast not here. I don't know about other countries.

Steubenville. As well as many other cases in America, Argentina, and judging from what we see here, Germany and Lithuania.

[Choronzon]

"Yes" means "yes", nothing else.

Prove it. Wait opinions are facts here./sarcasm

I think its fucking adorable that you think the law is just an opinion, "professor."

No one on the basis of the so called lack of "yes" consent. Atleast not here. I don't know about other countries.

Where is here?

Because in America they most certainly have. I suspect that they have in your country too, and you're just totally unaware of it. Or lying. You seem to have a habit of lying.

[Seperates]

Why should they have to?

Because if they don't, it is an "yes".

No. If they do not reciprocate the affection, then you should probably back the fuck off because they are uncomfortable, but are either too afraid or out of it to say "No". And if you don't know... just ask. Hell, ask before-hand. Dirty-talk.

It's better than assuming that all people are open for business unless the door is locked and there is a 'Closed' sign.

[Ljvonia]

Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent?

You have not explicitly told me I cannot harvest your organs. Therefore I can only assume you consent to me harvesting your organs. Now breathe deeply into this cloth....

*drums fingers on desk*

Stop mixing your argumentative modi and we'll perhaps be able to include you again. Your analogy is false, but I bet you know that very well.

[Aghny]

So telling the cops the truth is the same as "fending for themselves" ?

Nu-uh, no cherrypicking.

Not my fault if you read my post and make up the wrong assumptions

Why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent?

You have not explicitly told me I cannot harvest your organs. Therefore I can only assume you consent to me harvesting your organs. Now breathe deeply into this cloth....

*drums fingers on desk*

Let us take this example. Let us say that you walked into a moving train, knowingly. No one pushed you into it. You simply walked into it. It is the drivers fault if he couldn't see you and stop the train in time ?

If you have a choice, but make the wrong one and then regret it later, you are the one to blame.

[Samuraikoku]

Not my fault if you read my post and make up the wrong assumptions

Not my fault you are attempting to dodge the fact that you got caught.

Let us take this example. Let us say that you walked into a moving train, knowingly. No one pushed you into it. You simply walked into it. It is the drivers fault if he couldn't see you and stop the train in time ?

If you have a choice, but make the wrong one and then regret it later, you are the one to blame.

Except in rape there is no choice. That's the idea.

[Anachronous Rex]

Nu-uh, no cherrypicking.

Not my fault if you read my post and make up the wrong assumptions

*drums fingers on desk*

Let us take this example. Let us say that you walked into a moving train, knowingly. No one pushed you into it. You simply walked into it. It is the drivers fault if he couldn't see you and stop the train in time ?

If you have a choice, but make the wrong one and then regret it later, you are the one to blame.

You're saying that men have no choice but to have sex with women who don't say "no?"

[Samuraikoku]

You're saying that men have no choice but to have sex with women who don't say "no?"

And that makes him a rape apologist.

[Anachronous Rex]

You're saying that men have no choice but to have sex with women who don't say "no?"

And that makes him a rape apologist.

It's like that Iranian Law against incest that made an exception for, "well, I guess if she somehow falls into your bed, like if the ceiling collapses or something, that would be okay. Because how could you be expected to restrain yourself?"

[Aghny]

Prove it. Wait opinions are facts here./sarcasm

I think its fucking adorable that you think the law is just an opinion, "professor."

Law =/= fact. (what is the fact is that "it is the law". That is different *sigh)

As in not everyone expresses consent in the same manner.

No one on the basis of the so called lack of "yes" consent. Atleast not here. I don't know about other countries.

Where is here?

Because in America they most certainly have. I suspect that they have in your country too, and you're just totally unaware of it. Or lying. You seem to have a habit of lying.[/quote]

Somewhere in asia. That is all you are getting.

[Seperates]

*drums fingers on desk*

Stop mixing your argumentative modi and we'll perhaps be able to include you again. Your analogy is false, but I bet you know that very well.

Why do you think it's funny, oh wise professor?

[Delmonte]

To be fair there is plenty of legal precedent for assumed consent. Performing CPR on someone, for instance.

Consent is irrelevant in CPR. There's a legal obligation to help.

If you have sex with someone it is totally reasonable to assume that PDA with them is acceptable unless they say otherwise. I also assume he consents to sex with me until he says he doesn't. Obviously if he doesn't want to we won't. But the status quo is that he does.

I assume you haven't been reading.

You obviously know nothing about American law. I know CPR but if I saw someone dying I'm under no obligation to help unless I'm being paid to, they are my child, or their harm was my fault in which case I have an obligation to at least get help.