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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:42 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I could lie about my job so you all think I'm smart to try and weasel out of making an actual argument. Or I could call the law just an opinion.

Oh! Or I could say that we've never prosecuted or convicted someone for fucking someone too drunk to consent, demonstrating a complete ignorance when it comes to real world knowledge.

Oh I comprehend just fine, "professor". Bad news mate, you haven't really said anything intelligent or deep. Just several posts worth of being a rape apologist.

It's like he doesn't even know what happened in Steubenville.

He was too busy with all that university biology teachings to pay attention to the news.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

Ljvonia, here you go.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Ljvonia wrote:Sure. Lithuanian by birth, living in Germany since 1994.


Challenge accepted. Stand by.

Edit: Sexual assault in Germany


(1) Whosoever coerces another person

1. by force;

2. by threat of imminent danger to life or limb; or

3. by exploiting a situation in which the victim is unprotected and at the mercy of the offender
,

to suffer sexual acts by the offender or a third person on their own person or to engage actively in sexual activity with the offender or a third person, shall be liable to imprisonment of not less than one year.

(2) In especially serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment of not less than two years. An especially serious case typically occurs if

1. the offender performs sexual intercourse with the victim or performs similar sexual acts with the victim, or allows them to be performed on himself by the victim, especially if they degrade the victim or if they entail penetration of the body (rape); or

2. the offence is committed jointly by more than one person.

(3) The penalty shall be imprisonment of not less than three years if the offender

1. carries a weapon or another dangerous instrument;

2. otherwise carries an instrument or other means for the purpose of preventing or overcoming the resistance of another person through force or threat of force; or

3. by the offence places the victim in danger of serious injury.

(4) The penalty shall be imprisonment of not less than five years if

1. the offender uses a weapon or another dangerous instrument during the commission of the offence; or if

2. the offender

(a) seriously physically abuses the victim during the offence; or

(b) by the offence places the victim in danger of death.

(5) In less serious cases under subsection (1) above the penalty shall be imprisonment from six months to five years, in less serious cases under subsections (3) and (4) above imprisonment from one to ten years.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

I truly hope all y'all rapist supporters remain celibate your entire lives.

Because right now all you will be are rapists and criminals, deserving nothing but hatred and scorn.

Which I assure you, I shall give to you with all my heart.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Aghny wrote:Just a biology professor in a local university. It pays my bills, so i don't really mind. Though i admit it can sometimes be boring.

As for kids, soon, but i am not ready for the responsibility yet. I am far too young for that :blush:

RIII tier with no prospects. No, no that's not it. He's pretending anthropology = biology. I hope you get canned for sexual harassment. But again, it's devilish difficult to shoehorn these deviants out of their posts, so I hope a more voluntary resignation on your part. Another mouth whore to feed. *sigh*

He's not even close on the scale of anthropology.
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I could lie about my job so you all think I'm smart to try and weasel out of making an actual argument. Or I could call the law just an opinion.

Oh! Or I could say that we've never prosecuted or convicted someone for fucking someone too drunk to consent, demonstrating a complete ignorance when it comes to real world knowledge.

Oh I comprehend just fine, "professor". Bad news mate, you haven't really said anything intelligent or deep. Just several posts worth of being a rape apologist.

It's like he doesn't even know what happened in Steubenville.


Never heard of it. I assume it is a place ?

Anyways, if no one has any intelligent posts to make, i will be taking my leave now

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

Aghny wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Fuck sensitive. I'm not sensitive. You don't understand how human emotion works.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to manipulate a child? They almost never report abuse, and even when they do they almost always go back on it. If you are going to be a teacher, Marduk help us all, you will have to know this.

As an adult you are responsible to safeguard children, especially children in your care. It is not enough to shrug and say, "well, they didn't take any steps to protect themselves..." They're children.


Different case here.

What's a different case? We were talking about your victim blaming when it came to I-ness, and you said that you "weren't sensitive" as a method of failing to comprehend the point that children can't be counted on to protect themselves or tell the truth about parental abuse. I pointed out that this has nothing to do with sensitivity, just basic knowledge of human nature, and that's where we are now.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

Choronzon wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:It's like he doesn't even know what happened in Steubenville.

He was too busy with all that university biology teachings to pay attention to the news.

He was too busy justifying rape and child abuse to care.
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:43 am

Samuraikoku wrote:Ljvonia, here you go.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Challenge accepted. Stand by.

Edit: Sexual assault in Germany


(1) Whosoever coerces another person

1. by force;

2. by threat of imminent danger to life or limb; or

3. by exploiting a situation in which the victim is unprotected and at the mercy of the offender
,

to suffer sexual acts by the offender or a third person on their own person or to engage actively in sexual activity with the offender or a third person, shall be liable to imprisonment of not less than one year.

(2) In especially serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment of not less than two years. An especially serious case typically occurs if

1. the offender performs sexual intercourse with the victim or performs similar sexual acts with the victim, or allows them to be performed on himself by the victim, especially if they degrade the victim or if they entail penetration of the body (rape); or

2. the offence is committed jointly by more than one person.

(3) The penalty shall be imprisonment of not less than three years if the offender

1. carries a weapon or another dangerous instrument;

2. otherwise carries an instrument or other means for the purpose of preventing or overcoming the resistance of another person through force or threat of force; or

3. by the offence places the victim in danger of serious injury.

(4) The penalty shall be imprisonment of not less than five years if

1. the offender uses a weapon or another dangerous instrument during the commission of the offence; or if

2. the offender

(a) seriously physically abuses the victim during the offence; or

(b) by the offence places the victim in danger of death.

(5) In less serious cases under subsection (1) above the penalty shall be imprisonment from six months to five years, in less serious cases under subsections (3) and (4) above imprisonment from one to ten years.

Looks like someone should familiarize themselves with their local rape laws.

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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:44 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:I truly hope all y'all rapist supporters remain celibate your entire lives.

Because right now all you will be is a rapist and criminal, deserving nothing but hatred and scorn.

Which I assure you, I shall give to you with all my heart.

Only a sith deals an absolute.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:44 am

Choronzon wrote:Looks like someone should familiarize themselves with their local rape laws.


I'm from fucking Argentina, lecturing a German resident about their own laws. Fucking hell.

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Postby Ljvonia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:44 am

Seperates wrote:
Ljvonia wrote:
Hahahaha, same here. Did they already post their little video of Takei calling you a douchebag in return? :rofl:

What do you think is funny?


The unruly manner discourse employed by "the enemy" within this thread is quite exhilarating to me. How they fall into sarcasm-protection mode the moment their arguments have reached the end of validity and the stereotypical insults, including their favourite phrase: "You are a rape apologist". And still these people demand to be taken seriously, thinking they have any right at all to insult good Aghny here in such a manner. I have seen this whole drama before...and before that. It repeats and repeats, the very same imbeciles repeating the very same arguments, followed by the same insults and polemics. Truly hilarious, just post a few catchphrases and watch them go apeshit. Argument in a rational manner and they reach boiling point, retreating behind their wall of insults and polemics.

The Steel Magnolia wrote:I truly hope all y'all rapist supporters remain celibate your entire lives.


Don't worry, I don't plan on procreating... bad luck on the celibacy-thing though. :roll:

The Steel Magnolia wrote:Because right now all you will be is a rapist and criminal, deserving nothing but hatred and scorn.


Did you ask your crystals? :lol2:

The Steel Magnolia wrote:Which I assure you, I shall give to you with all my heart.


A very fine example of the modus operandi of your kind, that phrase. Your heart - is a pump. Try the brain, perhaps that'll help.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:45 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:I truly hope all y'all rapist supporters remain celibate your entire lives.

Because right now all you will be is a rapist and criminal, deserving nothing but hatred and scorn.

Which I assure you, I shall give to you with all my heart.

Only a sith deals an absolute.

That was an absolute, Obi.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:45 am

Aghny wrote:Never heard of it. I assume it is a place ?

Ask mom and dad about it.
Anyways, if no one has any intelligent posts to make, i will be taking my leave now

Try not to trip.

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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:45 am

Seperates wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Only a sith deals an absolute.

That was an absolute, Obi.

Dangit.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:47 am

Ljvonia wrote:
Seperates wrote:What do you think is funny?


The unruly manner discourse employed by "the enemy" within this thread is quite exhilarating to me. How they fall into sarcasm-protection mode the moment their arguments have reached the end of validity and the stereotypical insults, including their favourite phrase: "You are a rape apologist". And still these people demand to be taken seriously, thinking they have any right at all to insult good Aghny here in such a manner. I have seen this whole drama before...and before that. It repeats and repeats, the very same imbeciles repeating the very same arguments, followed by the same insults and polemics. Truly hilarious, just post a few catchphrases and watch them go apeshit. Argument in a rational manner and they reach boiling point, retreating behind their wall of insults and polemics.


You're right, I do remember you.

As a rapist supporter, who holds opinions that make anyone who holds them scum.

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Postby Zombiys » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:47 am

Guys need to quite being jerks and maybe girls would give out more I'm just sying

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:47 am

Ljvonia wrote:
Seperates wrote:What do you think is funny?


The unruly manner discourse employed by "the enemy" within this thread is quite exhilarating to me. How they fall into sarcasm-protection mode the moment their arguments have reached the end of validity and the stereotypical insults, including their favourite phrase: "You are a rape apologist". And still these people demand to be taken seriously, thinking they have any right at all to insult good Aghny here in such a manner. I have seen this whole drama before...and before that. It repeats and repeats, the very same imbeciles repeating the very same arguments, followed by the same insults and polemics. Truly hilarious, just post a few catchphrases and watch them go apeshit. Argument in a rational manner and they reach boiling point, retreating behind their wall of insults and polemics.


I think you must have missed the bit where the person trained in law quoted German rape and consent law very extensively.
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:48 am

Ljvonia wrote:
Seperates wrote:What do you think is funny?


The unruly manner discourse employed by "the enemy" within this thread is quite exhilarating to me. How they fall into sarcasm-protection mode the moment their arguments have reached the end of validity and the stereotypical insults, including their favourite phrase: "You are a rape apologist". And still these people demand to be taken seriously, thinking they have any right at all to insult good Aghny here in such a manner. I have seen this whole drama before...and before that. It repeats and repeats, the very same imbeciles repeating the very same arguments, followed by the same insults and polemics. Truly hilarious, just post a few catchphrases and watch them go apeshit. Argument in a rational manner and they reach boiling point, retreating behind their wall of insults and polemics.

Tell me, is provocation really 'debating in rational manner'? Are you trying to understand why they are so outraged?
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:48 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:I truly hope all y'all rapist supporters remain celibate your entire lives.

Because right now all you will be is a rapist and criminal, deserving nothing but hatred and scorn.

Which I assure you, I shall give to you with all my heart.

Only a sith deals an absolute.


You seem to be operating under the mistaken opinion you're funny.

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Postby Ljvonia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:48 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ljvonia wrote:
The unruly manner discourse employed by "the enemy" within this thread is quite exhilarating to me. How they fall into sarcasm-protection mode the moment their arguments have reached the end of validity and the stereotypical insults, including their favourite phrase: "You are a rape apologist". And still these people demand to be taken seriously, thinking they have any right at all to insult good Aghny here in such a manner. I have seen this whole drama before...and before that. It repeats and repeats, the very same imbeciles repeating the very same arguments, followed by the same insults and polemics. Truly hilarious, just post a few catchphrases and watch them go apeshit. Argument in a rational manner and they reach boiling point, retreating behind their wall of insults and polemics.


You're right, I do remember you.

As a rapist supporter, who holds opinions that make anyone who holds them scum.


Quod erat demonstrandum. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:49 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:I think you must have missed the bit where the person trained in law quoted German rape and consent law very extensively.


Extensively? That's one penal figure in a whole damn chapter.

CHAPTER THIRTEEN
OFFENCES AGAINST SEXUAL SELF-DETERMINATION
Section 174 Abuse of position of trust
Section 174a Sexual abuse of prisoners, patients and institutionalised persons
Section 174b Abuse of official position
Section 174c Abuse of a relationship of counselling, treatment or care
Section 175 (repealed)
Section 176 Child abuse
Section 176a Aggravated child abuse
Section 176b Child abuse causing death
Section 177 Sexual assault by use of force or threats; rape
Section 178 Sexual assault by use of force or threat of force and rape causing death
Section 179 Abuse of persons who are incapable of resistance
Section 180 Causing minors to engage in sexual activity
Section 180a Exploitation of prostitutes
Section 180b and section 181 (repealed)
Section 181a Controlling prostitution
Section 181b Supervision order
Section 181c Confiscatory expropriation and extended confiscation
Section 182 Abuse of juveniles
Section 183 Exhibitionism
Section 183a Causing a public disturbance
Section 184 Distribution of pornography
Section 184a Distribution of pornography depicting violence or sodomy
Section 184b Distribution, acquisition and possession of child pornography
Section 184c Distribution, acquisition and possession of juvenile pornography
Section 184d Distribution of pornographic performances by broadcasting, media services or telecommunications services
Section 184e Unlawful prostitution
Section 184f Prostitution likely to corrupt juveniles
Section 184g Definitions
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:50 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Aghny wrote:Only if you can find and post that link here.
For the record for anyone who cares, I did not say that people deserve abuse, just that people sometimes deserve punishment for their actions. To classify it as abuse is not something i'd do.

Humor me. Tell me how I deserved it.

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Postby Ljvonia » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:50 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Ljvonia wrote:
The unruly manner discourse employed by "the enemy" within this thread is quite exhilarating to me. How they fall into sarcasm-protection mode the moment their arguments have reached the end of validity and the stereotypical insults, including their favourite phrase: "You are a rape apologist". And still these people demand to be taken seriously, thinking they have any right at all to insult good Aghny here in such a manner. I have seen this whole drama before...and before that. It repeats and repeats, the very same imbeciles repeating the very same arguments, followed by the same insults and polemics. Truly hilarious, just post a few catchphrases and watch them go apeshit. Argument in a rational manner and they reach boiling point, retreating behind their wall of insults and polemics.


I think you must have missed the bit where the person trained in law quoted German rape and consent law very extensively.


Yes, I must have missed the part wherein the law of the Federal Republic defines "consent" as you people do. :roll:
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.92
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Postby Seperates » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:51 am

Ljvonia wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
You're right, I do remember you.

As a rapist supporter, who holds opinions that make anyone who holds them scum.


Quod erat demonstrandum. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That is not understanding. That is laughing at someone because they are angry, thus provoking more anger. This is not a rational, nor reasoned approach if the goal is to reach an understanding.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:51 am

Seperates wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Only a sith deals an absolute.

That was an absolute, Obi.

Of course it was, Obi Wan is a servant of the true Sith Lord:
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How convenient that at the end of Return of the Jedi, both Obi and Yoda are still alive and, "more powerful then you can possibly imagine," and all the other Jedi and Sith are dead, except for a kid so stupid that he made out with his own sister.
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