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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:45 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:You compared male humans to trains...
Rape-trains, no less.
"If you jump out in front of a rape-train all slutty-looking and female, you can't reasonably expect him to just stop fucking you when you say no."

Iran. That's the Asian country he's from. It's the only one that makes sense.
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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:45 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:Come on Aghny, I'm still waiting to hear about vertebrate blastula.

M starting to suspect he's just a puppet of someone on here.
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Choronzon
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:47 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Dragoria wrote: Rape-trains, no less.
"If you jump out in front of a rape-train all slutty-looking and female, you can't reasonably expect him to just stop fucking you when you say no."

Iran. That's the Asian country he's from. It's the only one that makes sense.

I do enjoy the WELL IN MY COUNTRY WE DONT DEFINE RAPE THAT WAY defense, as if that would mean anything other than his country is a misogynistic shithole.

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:47 pm

Choronzon wrote:I do enjoy the WELL IN MY COUNTRY WE DONT DEFINE RAPE THAT WAY defense, as if that would mean anything other than his country is a misogynistic shithole.


He realizes it'll do him no good. So he changed it.

Samuraikoku wrote:
Aghny wrote:If it was an accident, but some call it murder, no sane judge will rule it as murder unless there are enough evidences to support that claim.

Same with rape. You can call it the law and say that no consent means rape, but no court will decide on just that. If you have proof as in something other than just your words then it is a different story.


So your argument shifted to "YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!"

Something a rape apologist would do.

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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:48 pm

Condunum wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Yes, i am waldo. Wait, no i am not. Who am i again ?

Some kid on the Internet with a very poor understanding of judicial proceedings and social interactions.


I never said that. I do wish i was a kid though. Not that i don't have any fun now. But it was good times.

Anachronous Rex wrote:Come on Aghny, I'm still waiting to hear about vertebrate blastula.


http://bit.ly/10niTfW *Yawn. All the info you are going to need, atleast for now. Did i mention i was lazy ?

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Revolutionary Stalin
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Postby Revolutionary Stalin » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:49 pm

If women doesn't approve then it's rape no matter how you try to say otherwise and those guys must be executed because it's disgusting some men do that to a poor women .
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Northern Dominus
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:49 pm

Aghny wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:No, I'm saying that fucking a woman without consent if she's sleeping or something is the same thing as fucking anything else without consent.

It's rape.


Difference being a turtle can't speak or express properly (as far as i know). It can't object, but humans can.

Northern Dominus wrote:Backpedalling furiously from your original position? You know the one which basically stated "no" means "Yes"?


It was, no is not always no and yes is not always yes.
You're half correct. Yes only goes so far until no applies.

No always means "cease and desist immediately." Failing to heed the word "No" when it comes to sexual contact means the act has gone from consenting to rape. No implied this or that, any weaseling to one side or the other raises some rather serious questions.
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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:49 pm

Aghny wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:No, I'm saying that fucking a woman without consent if she's sleeping or something is the same thing as fucking anything else without consent.

It's rape.


Difference being a turtle can't speak or express properly (as far as i know). It can't object, but humans can.
And humans being threatened with death will choose to stay quiet and be raped rather than scream and fight, be raped anyway, and then be murdered. Which obviously makes it their own stupid fault.

Aghny wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Backpedalling furiously from your original position? You know the one which basically stated "no" means "Yes"?


It was, no is not always no and yes is not always yes.
No always means no.
A "yes" obtained through force, threats, intimidation, intoxication, or other forms of coercion does not count.
A lack of a "yes" is a "no", a lack of a "no" is not a "yes".
Breaking any of those rules in a sexytype situation is rape.
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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:49 pm

Aghny wrote:
Condunum wrote:Some kid on the Internet with a very poor understanding of judicial proceedings and social interactions.


I never said that. I do wish i was a kid though. Not that i don't have any fun now. But it was good times.

Anachronous Rex wrote:Come on Aghny, I'm still waiting to hear about vertebrate blastula.


http://bit.ly/10niTfW *Yawn. All the info you are going to need, atleast for now. Did i mention i was lazy ?

Funny, this. You aren't a professor, huh?
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Choronzon
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:50 pm

Condunum wrote:Funny, this. You aren't a professor, huh?

*gasp* NO! :blink: Really?

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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:50 pm

Aghny wrote:
Condunum wrote:Some kid on the Internet with a very poor understanding of judicial proceedings and social interactions.


I never said that. I do wish i was a kid though. Not that i don't have any fun now. But it was good times.

Anachronous Rex wrote:Come on Aghny, I'm still waiting to hear about vertebrate blastula.


http://bit.ly/10niTfW *Yawn. All the info you are going to need, atleast for now. Did i mention i was lazy ?

Still didn't answer the question.

You could answer it in a word, or in four if you felt like being long-winded. Linking to the "let me google that for you was actually more work then just saying the answer. So come on, what's the matter? Why don't you know basic biology?
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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:50 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Dragoria wrote: Rape-trains, no less.
"If you jump out in front of a rape-train all slutty-looking and female, you can't reasonably expect him to just stop fucking you when you say no."

Iran. That's the Asian country he's from. It's the only one that makes sense.
Isn't that the middle-east, or do they overlap more than I'd thought?
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:51 pm

Revolutionary Stalin wrote:If women doesn't approve then it's rape no matter how you try to say otherwise and those guys must be executed because it's disgusting some men do that to a poor women .

However, what if the woman is fully consenting, and only afterwards feels bad about it and claims that she was raped? I read somewhere that about 8% of reports are like this :shock:
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Revolutionary Stalin
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Postby Revolutionary Stalin » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:52 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Revolutionary Stalin wrote:If women doesn't approve then it's rape no matter how you try to say otherwise and those guys must be executed because it's disgusting some men do that to a poor women .

However, what if the woman is fully consenting, and only afterwards feels bad about it and claims that she was raped? I read somewhere that about 8% of reports are like this :shock:


Then it's their fault and not the supposed " rapist " .
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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:52 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Difference being a turtle can't speak or express properly (as far as i know). It can't object, but humans can.
And humans being threatened with death will choose to stay quiet and be raped rather than scream and fight, be raped anyway, and then be murdered. Which obviously makes it their own stupid fault.


There is a difference between someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to do something and you receiving a phone call saying "come here at this time or i will butcher your entire family". You should be contacting the police, not doing as told.
Aghny wrote:
It was, no is not always no and yes is not always yes.
No always means no.
A "yes" obtained through force, threats, intimidation, intoxication, or other forms of coercion does not count.
A lack of a "yes" is a "no", a lack of a "no" is not a "yes".
Breaking any of those rules in a sexytype situation is rape.


Subjective unless proven otherwise.
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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:52 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Iran. That's the Asian country he's from. It's the only one that makes sense.
Isn't that the middle-east, or do they overlap more than I'd thought?

It's usually considered to be Central Asian, but it doesn't matter; the middle east is in Asia too, save Egypt.
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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Revolutionary Stalin wrote:If women doesn't approve then it's rape no matter how you try to say otherwise and those guys must be executed because it's disgusting some men do that to a poor women .

However, what if the woman is fully consenting, and only afterwards feels bad about it and claims that she was raped? I read somewhere that about 8% of reports are like this :shock:
"She really wanted the sex, then changed her mind afterwards, the dumb slut".
Niiiice.
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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Aghny wrote:
I never said that. I do wish i was a kid though. Not that i don't have any fun now. But it was good times.



http://bit.ly/10niTfW *Yawn. All the info you are going to need, atleast for now. Did i mention i was lazy ?

Still didn't answer the question.

You could answer it in a word, or in four if you felt like being long-winded. Linking to the "let me google that for you was actually more work then just saying the answer. So come on, what's the matter? Why don't you know basic biology?


I don't see the point. I'd rather spend that time annoying someone because i simply not see things the way they do.

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Northern Dominus
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Aghny wrote:
Dragoria wrote:No always means no.
A "yes" obtained through force, threats, intimidation, intoxication, or other forms of coercion does not count.
A lack of a "yes" is a "no", a lack of a "no" is not a "yes".
Breaking any of those rules in a sexytype situation is rape.


Subjective unless proven otherwise.
Alright then.

So if someone asks you if you want to be knocked to the ground and kicked in the ribs until your lungs collapse, you say no, and they do it anyway, that's subjective anyway right? Because clearly you were asking for it even though you decidedly said no.
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Choronzon
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:54 pm

Aghny wrote:Subjective unless proven otherwise.

Just saying "SUBJECTIIIVVVVVEEEEE!!!!!" is not an argument.

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:55 pm

Aghny wrote:Subjective unless proven otherwise.


Samuraikoku wrote:
Aghny wrote:If it was an accident, but some call it murder, no sane judge will rule it as murder unless there are enough evidences to support that claim.

Same with rape. You can call it the law and say that no consent means rape, but no court will decide on just that. If you have proof as in something other than just your words then it is a different story.


So your argument shifted to "YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!"

Something a rape apologist would do.


Once again, quod erat demonstrandum.

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Choronzon
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:55 pm

Aghny wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Still didn't answer the question.

You could answer it in a word, or in four if you felt like being long-winded. Linking to the "let me google that for you was actually more work then just saying the answer. So come on, what's the matter? Why don't you know basic biology?


I don't see the point. I'd rather spend that time annoying someone because i simply not see things the way they do.

You don't really annoy us, per say. You disgust us, but only in the way all rapists and their apologists disgust us.

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:55 pm

Aghny wrote:I don't see the point. I'd rather spend that time annoying someone because i simply not see things the way they do.


I think we might be onto an admission of a certain conduct against the rules here.

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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:56 pm

Northern Dominus wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Subjective unless proven otherwise.
Alright then.

So if someone asks you if you want to be knocked to the ground and kicked in the ribs until your lungs collapse, you say no, and they do it anyway, that's subjective anyway right? Because clearly you were asking for it even though you decidedly said no.


That would be using force to subdue you. Different scenario.

Choronzon wrote:
Aghny wrote:Subjective unless proven otherwise.

Just saying "SUBJECTIIIVVVVVEEEEE!!!!!" is not an argument.


Yet, more than adequate.

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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:57 pm

Aghny wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Still didn't answer the question.

You could answer it in a word, or in four if you felt like being long-winded. Linking to the "let me google that for you was actually more work then just saying the answer. So come on, what's the matter? Why don't you know basic biology?


I don't see the point. I'd rather spend that time annoying someone because i simply not see things the way they do.

You don't see the point in demonstrating an assertion you have made over and over again in a simple way?

But you do see the point in going to great lengths to avoid the question.

You see, I made a prediction that you would not be able to answer. I made this prediction because I phrased the question in such a way that a simple google search would not easily lend an answer, but anyone with knowledge of the subject would automatically know what I'm talking about. And you don't have any knowledge of the subject. You are lying.

And I've just proved it.
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