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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:37 pm

Aghny wrote:No, i just like my anonymity in the internet. Although you could easily narrow it down if you knew how. Find the clues yourself though sherlock.


I am an anonymous user from Argentina. There. Who am I?

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Northern Dominus
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Northern Dominus wrote:Yes... you just have to be willing to look long and hard or pay enough :p


I'm waiting for an answer. Not that I think I'll be getting any. :p

But hey, it's some sort of training.
Hey, it's an answer. Maybe not the one you were looking for, but it was something :twisted:

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Samuraikoku wrote:
He's saying laws that define what is rape are just "opinionnnnnnnnnnnnns!" and not facts. Say, were you in a murder case, would you tell the judge "but the law is just an OPINION! It's not a fact!"?

These people exist? :eek:
Amazingly, yes they do.

You would think people would have learned what No means when they were 2...
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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Condunum wrote:It's the same. Your actions display non-verbal consent to the breathalyzer, no? In that sense, non-verbal consent is a very dodgy,hard to prove stance. Which is why you need to prove real, verbal consent as a defense. Otherwise, rape.
Notsomuch. With the breathalyzer, they'll take your revocation of the "implied consent" of you operating your car to be an admission of guilt in some places. The court will side with the police officer saying "implied consent, breathalyzer nao" no matter how loudly you yell "NO".
Implied consent is not nonverbal consent. It's "I assumed you meant yes and went ahead with that assumed yes even though you never said yes or actively said no because [reason]".
While non-verbal consent is "you said yes without words, by actively or enthusiastically participating in [x]".

In sexytype situations, implied consent is rape, non-verbal consent isn't.

Hm. Point made, I'll concede that.
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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

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Anachronous Rex wrote:The only biology professor in the world who doesn't know first year biology. But apparently he's not an "expert," "just a professor."

I'm struggling to guess what Asian country he could be from, because frankly even Turkmenistan has higher standards. Myanmar maybe?
Does North Korea count?

Hmm... well they did just confirm the existence of unicorns.

But I think even they know basic embryology.
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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Aghny wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:What the fuck? If you don't have consent, it's always rape. I don't care what laws say, that is the definition.


Not according to all.
Not according to rapists and those who want rapists to get away with raping people. Noted.
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Kvatchdom
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Aghny wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Afraid, are we, "professor"?


No, i just like my anonymity in the internet. Although you could easily narrow it down if you knew how. Find the clues yourself though sherlock

Kvatchdom wrote:What the fuck? If you don't have consent, it's always rape. I don't care what laws say, that is the definition.


Not according to all. Why i have been arguing that it is subjective unless proven otherwise.

Not according to fucking rapists. If you have sex with a turtle, do you expect the fucking turtle to say no?
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:38 pm

Aghny wrote:Not according to all. Why i have been arguing that it is subjective unless proven otherwise.

For you to be arguing something you'd have to be making an argument. Not just going "NU-UH that law is an opinion...and I am a professor...and from Asia!...yeah...Asia..."

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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:39 pm

Aghny wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Afraid, are we, "professor"?


No, i just like my anonymity in the internet. Although you could easily narrow it down if you knew how. Find the clues yourself though sherlock

Kvatchdom wrote:What the fuck? If you don't have consent, it's always rape. I don't care what laws say, that is the definition.


Not according to all. Why i have been arguing that it is subjective unless proven otherwise.

You prove more and more you are who you say you are.
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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:39 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Aghny wrote:No, i just like my anonymity in the internet. Although you could easily narrow it down if you knew how. Find the clues yourself though sherlock.


I am an anonymous user from Argentina. There. Who am I?

The ghost of Juan Perón! I knew it!
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:39 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:What the fuck? If you don't have consent, it's always rape. I don't care what laws say, that is the definition.


He's saying laws that define what is rape are just "opinionnnnnnnnnnnnns!" and not facts. Say, were you in a murder case, would you tell the judge "but the law is just an OPINION! It's not a fact!"?


If it was an accident, but some call it murder, no sane judge will rule it as murder unless there are enough evidences to support that claim.

Same with rape. You can call it the law and say that no consent means rape, but no court will decide on just that. If you have proof as in something other than just your words then it is a different story.

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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:The ghost of Juan Perón! I knew it!


Perón isn't dead, you nitwit! :p

Actually he has been since 1974, just playing along.

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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Condunum wrote:
Dragoria wrote: Notsomuch. With the breathalyzer, they'll take your revocation of the "implied consent" of you operating your car to be an admission of guilt in some places. The court will side with the police officer saying "implied consent, breathalyzer nao" no matter how loudly you yell "NO".
Implied consent is not nonverbal consent. It's "I assumed you meant yes and went ahead with that assumed yes even though you never said yes or actively said no because [reason]".
While non-verbal consent is "you said yes without words, by actively or enthusiastically participating in [x]".

In sexytype situations, implied consent is rape, non-verbal consent isn't.

Hm. Point made, I'll concede that.
Yeah, confusing non-verbal and implied consents is not something we need more of.
By responding to my post, you've given "implied consent" to bring me cookies.
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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:Not according to fucking rapists. If you have sex with a turtle, do you expect the fucking turtle to say no?


Comparing female humans to turtles. You sexist @#@$@. :p

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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

Dragoria wrote:
Condunum wrote:Hm. Point made, I'll concede that.
Yeah, confusing non-verbal and implied consents is not something we need more of.
By responding to my post, you've given "implied consent" to bring me cookies.

NO THEY'RE MINE. MY COOKIES.
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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

Condunum wrote:You prove more and more you are who you say you are.


Yes, i am waldo. Wait, no i am not. Who am i again ?

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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:42 pm

Aghny wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Not according to fucking rapists. If you have sex with a turtle, do you expect the fucking turtle to say no?


Comparing female humans to turtles. You sexist @#@$@. :p

There is not a single feminine pronoun in that statement.
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Anachronous Rex
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Aghny wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Not according to fucking rapists. If you have sex with a turtle, do you expect the fucking turtle to say no?


Comparing female humans to turtles. You sexist @#@$@. :p

You compared male humans to trains...
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Northern Dominus
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Postby Northern Dominus » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Aghny wrote:
Condunum wrote:You prove more and more you are who you say you are.


Yes, i am waldo. Wait, no i am not. Who am i again ?
Backpedalling furiously from your original position? You know the one which basically stated "no" means "Yes"?
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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Condunum wrote:
Dragoria wrote: Yeah, confusing non-verbal and implied consents is not something we need more of.
By responding to my post, you've given "implied consent" to bring me cookies.

NO THEY'RE MINE. MY COOKIES.
Doesn't matter, implied consent.
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Kvatchdom
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Postby Kvatchdom » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Aghny wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Not according to fucking rapists. If you have sex with a turtle, do you expect the fucking turtle to say no?


Comparing female humans to turtles. You sexist @#@$@. :p

No, I'm saying that fucking a woman without consent if she's sleeping or something is the same thing as fucking anything else without consent.

It's rape.
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Samuraikoku
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Aghny wrote:If it was an accident, but some call it murder, no sane judge will rule it as murder unless there are enough evidences to support that claim.

Same with rape. You can call it the law and say that no consent means rape, but no court will decide on just that. If you have proof as in something other than just your words then it is a different story.


So your argument shifted to "YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!"

Something a rape apologist would do.

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Postby Condunum » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:43 pm

Aghny wrote:
Condunum wrote:You prove more and more you are who you say you are.


Yes, i am waldo. Wait, no i am not. Who am i again ?

Some kid on the Internet with a very poor understanding of judicial proceedings and social interactions.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:44 pm

Come on Aghny, I'm still waiting to hear about vertebrate blastula.
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Dragoria
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Postby Dragoria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:44 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Comparing female humans to turtles. You sexist @#@$@. :p

You compared male humans to trains...
Rape-trains, no less.
"If you jump out in front of a rape-train all slutty-looking and female, you can't reasonably expect him to just stop fucking you when you say no."
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Aghny
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Postby Aghny » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:45 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Comparing female humans to turtles. You sexist @#@$@. :p

No, I'm saying that fucking a woman without consent if she's sleeping or something is the same thing as fucking anything else without consent.

It's rape.


Difference being a turtle can't speak or express properly (as far as i know). It can't object, but humans can.

Northern Dominus wrote:
Aghny wrote:
Yes, i am waldo. Wait, no i am not. Who am i again ?
Backpedalling furiously from your original position? You know the one which basically stated "no" means "Yes"?


It was, no is not always no and yes is not always yes.

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