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Do you think the EU is likely to become The United States of Europe?

Yes, definately and without a doubt.
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It is a possibility, but not in the near future.
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I hope not!
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No, too much power leads to conflict ect.
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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:13 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well


I seem to recall that that was how the Empire was toppled. Luxemburg's actions were essentially a continuation of the November Revolution within the broader revolutionary period.
Don't be deceived when our Revolution has finally been stamped out and they tell you things are better now even if there's no poverty to see, because the poverty's been hidden...even if you ever got more wages and could afford to buy more of these new and useless goods which these new industries foist on you, and even if it seems to you that "you never had so much" - that is only the slogan of those who have much more than you.

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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:13 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

Don't get me wrong, the Spartakusbund and related events were handled terribly.

I'm just saying, she was kind of trying to seize power by force. Not by legitimate democratic process.
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Maybe that's because the SPD was trying to kill her. It's kinda hard to run in an election with the free corps hunting you.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:13 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Saruhan wrote:It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well

Depends.

Okay, it's bad to start a revolt against a democratic government while your slogans are about freedom
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Postby Benuty » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:14 pm

How did a thread on european unity devolve into Eurocommunism & Fascism?
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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:14 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:So was it bad form of the anti-fascist partisans to take up arms against the Nazis during WWII?

They had a legitimate reason, the communists only rebelled because they smelled weakness, and thought it was time to spread their ideology by force

Same applies to the partisans, many of whom were communists.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:14 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Saruhan wrote:It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well


I seem to recall that that was how the Empire was toppled. Luxemburg's actions were essentially a continuation of the November Revolution within the broader revolutionary period.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, are you somehow implying that the SDP was somehow the same as the Tsar?
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:14 pm

Benuty wrote:How did a thread on european unity devolve into Eurocommunism & Fascism?

Because certain commies love to thread-jack.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:15 pm

Benuty wrote:How did a thread on european unity devolve into Eurocommunism & Fascism?

Not a clue, but expect modly intervention anytime soon.
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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:15 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I seem to recall that that was how the Empire was toppled. Luxemburg's actions were essentially a continuation of the November Revolution within the broader revolutionary period.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, are you somehow implying that the SDP was somehow the same as the Tsar?

Yes, they were no better than the Nazis.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:15 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Saruhan wrote:They had a legitimate reason, the communists only rebelled because they smelled weakness, and thought it was time to spread their ideology by force

Same applies to the partisans, many of whom were communists.

The Partisans fought for freedom, the Communists fought for Dictatorship
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:16 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Well done you supported my point against you.

No, I haven't. NI is not a state. It is not a kingdom.


Who is in charge? the queen so it is a kingdom.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:16 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Saruhan wrote:I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, are you somehow implying that the SDP was somehow the same as the Tsar?

Yes, they were no better than the Nazis.

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Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:16 pm

Divair wrote:
Saruhan wrote:Re-educating? See, this is why I don't trust you whatsoever

1984, man.

Capitalist system does it too man.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:16 pm

Divair wrote:
Benuty wrote:How did a thread on european unity devolve into Eurocommunism & Fascism?

Because certain commies love to thread-jack.

Mhm, yes lets get back on topic.

The EU as of right now will almost certainly not unite. Depending on how the recovery goes and other things such as who gains power in certain areas, then it could possibly unite one day if it survives the current crisis.
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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:17 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Same applies to the partisans, many of whom were communists.

The Partisans fought for freedom, the Communists fought for Dictatorship
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Anti-communism is nothing more than another way of saying fascism.
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Postby Harold I » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:17 pm

Benuty wrote:How did a thread on european unity devolve into Eurocommunism & Fascism?


Exactly, maybe to do with the governments could turn evil from democracy. Well, I really would hate to live in a united Europe, I will loyally live under Elizabeth II any time :bow: .
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:17 pm

Anyway, enough threadjack.


I personally don't think the EU will unite, however I wish it would as it would give the West an even greater stranglehold on the World (I also wish Russia would join in)
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:17 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:How ironic coming from a social democrat. Look what you traitors did to Rosa in Germany!
& I am advocating free speech. I'm just saying the children shouldn't grow up in a family that will poison their minds before they are old enough to think for themselves.

So you'll poison them first

No we will poison their parent and care for the children.
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:17 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:1984, man.

Capitalist system does it too man.

I haven't been forced into a re-education system, nor have I been told what to believe, or silenced for saying what I do believe.
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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:18 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:1984, man.

Capitalist system does it too man.
:clap:
Just read any American/Canadian history textbook. They are full of fascist propaganda.
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:18 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Saruhan wrote:The Partisans fought for freedom, the Communists fought for Dictatorship
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Anti-communism is nothing more than another way of saying fascism.

Erm, no, given that there are plenty of ideologies that don't support communism and aren't fascist. What you're saying is just downright wrong.
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:18 pm

The only way for the EU to unite is if there is just one person left in the whole of the EU.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:18 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Saruhan wrote:What are you going to try and do? Make our flag a bit redder? All that'll happen to you is that the RCMP will either kill you outright in the firefight, or when you surrender they'll leave you on the outskirts of town in the middle of winter without a coat
:palm:
You think I'm going to try & fight a revolution all by myself? Obviously it will require socialist agitators to awaken the working class for spontaneous revolution.

Thats the free socialist territories version of communism
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:19 pm

Imperiatom wrote:The only way for the EU to unite is if there is just one person left in the whole of the EU.

What?
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:19 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Capitalist system does it too man.
:clap:
Just read any American/Canadian history textbook. They are full of fascist propaganda.

Yeah, no. As a Canadian who was just helping his younger brother with History I can tell you that the Red wool is covering your eyes
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