Is the EU likely to unite?

[Ostroeuropa]

Would you be opposed to the US having a say on those standards too?

Yes.
Not a member of the European Union... no say on the EU standards. Just like not a member of the USA, no say on the USA standards.

Well, although, there's the WTO for overall standardization, right?

I meant post-unification.
I'd be quick, post-unification, to come to an agreement on standards with the US and other western nations, as well as to establish a new "Eu" among us all.

[Saruhan]

Ingsoc, the way to the future.

How ironic coming from a social democrat. Look what you traitors did to Rosa in Germany!
& I am advocating free speech. I'm just saying the children shouldn't grow up in a family that will poison their minds before they are old enough to think for themselves.

She was a rebel and a traitor.

[Saruhan]

Ingsoc, the way to the future.

How ironic coming from a social democrat. Look what you traitors did to Rosa in Germany!
& I am advocating free speech. I'm just saying the children shouldn't grow up in a family that will poison their minds before they are old enough to think for themselves.

So you'll poison them first

[Divair]

Would you be opposed to the US having a say on those standards too?

Yes.
Not a member of the European Union... no say on the EU standards. Just like not a member of the USA, no say on the USA standards.

Well, although, there's the WTO and the ISO for overall standardization, right? Or even a joint EU-NAFTA standardization bureau. That would be cool.

That'd be pretty hard to pull off, given the vastly different cultures and economies. And the fact that the USA is a mile to the right doesn't help.

[Arglorand]

Ingsoc, the way to the future.

How ironic coming from a social democrat. Look what you traitors did to Rosa in Germany!
& I am advocating free speech. I'm just saying the children shouldn't grow up in a family that will poison their minds before they are old enough to think for themselves.

I don't exactly see what "we" did that was so wrong. She was an insurrectionary. The SPD ended her insurrection, for freedom, democracy and peace.

[Imperiatom]

Brilliant mate, add to that that they did not agree with other religions and you have the classic monotheistic religion.

You are pathetically ignorant. My personal hero, Rosa Luxemburg (who was the leader of the German communist movement) said; "Freedom is always the freedom of dissent.".

That does not really have much to do with the above post's.

also she is your personal Heroine not hero.

[Free Council Communes]

How ironic coming from a social democrat. Look what you traitors did to Rosa in Germany!
& I am advocating free speech. I'm just saying the children shouldn't grow up in a family that will poison their minds before they are old enough to think for themselves.

She was a rebel and a traitor.

You are traitor to the international proletariat! While it is important that a revolutionary government protect free speech, most counterrevolutionaries will have already been killed off during the revolution.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes.
Not a member of the European Union... no say on the EU standards. Just like not a member of the USA, no say on the USA standards.

Well, although, there's the WTO and the ISO for overall standardization, right? Or even a joint EU-NAFTA standardization bureau. That would be cool.

That'd be pretty hard to pull off, given the vastly different cultures and economies. And the fact that the USA is a mile to the right doesn't help.

Could easily be pressured hard enough into it. Just grab the other western markets. The same thing that happened to the UK.

[Risottia]

Yes.
Not a member of the European Union... no say on the EU standards. Just like not a member of the USA, no say on the USA standards.

Well, although, there's the WTO for overall standardization, right?

I meant post-unification.
I'd be quick, post-unification, to come to an agreement on standards with the US and other western nations, as well as to establish a new "Eu" among us all.

Now if we were just having Russia join the standardisation agreement, it would be perfect.
Next stop, the Bering railroad. The Arctic Ocean is the new Mediterranean.

[Saruhan]

She was a rebel and a traitor.

You are traitor to the international proletariat! While it is important that a revolutionary government protect free speech, most counterrevolutionaries will have already been killed off during the revolution.

What are you going to try and do? Make our flag a bit redder? All that'll happen to you is that the RCMP will either kill you outright in the firefight, or when you surrender they'll leave you on the outskirts of town in the middle of winter without a coat

[Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf]

never.

[Risottia]

She was a rebel and a traitor.

You are traitor to the international proletariat! While it is important that a revolutionary government protect free speech, most counterrevolutionaries will have already been killed off during the revolution.

Let's keep tones down and thread on topic. Shall we?

/notamod.

[Imperiatom]

Actually it is the British successor state to the Kingdom of Ireland so with the queen as its head of state is a kingdom of the UK.

Wrong. The successor state to the Kingdom of Great Britain and to the Kingdom of Ireland was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Once the Irish Free State seceded, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland formed and became the successor state.

Well done you supported my point against you.

[Arglorand]

She was a rebel and a traitor.

You are traitor to the international proletariat! While it is important that a revolutionary government protect free speech, most counterrevolutionaries will have already been killed off during the revolution.

The international proletariat sounds with those who care about the people. Those who fight for their right to be equal members of a fair society.

Not with psychoes like you, who divide the international labor movement in order to worship an unrealistic, orthodox version of an ideology you don't even get.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

How ironic coming from a social democrat. Look what you traitors did to Rosa in Germany!
& I am advocating free speech. I'm just saying the children shouldn't grow up in a family that will poison their minds before they are old enough to think for themselves.

I don't exactly see what "we" did that was so wrong. She was an insurrectionary. The SPD ended her insurrection, for freedom, democracy and peace.

It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

[Free Council Communes]

You are traitor to the international proletariat! While it is important that a revolutionary government protect free speech, most counterrevolutionaries will have already been killed off during the revolution.

What are you going to try and do? Make our flag a bit redder? All that'll happen to you is that the RCMP will either kill you outright in the firefight, or when you surrender they'll leave you on the outskirts of town in the middle of winter without a coat

You think I'm going to try & fight a revolution all by myself? Obviously it will require socialist agitators to awaken the working class for spontaneous revolution.

[Saruhan]

I don't exactly see what "we" did that was so wrong. She was an insurrectionary. The SPD ended her insurrection, for freedom, democracy and peace.

It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well

[Arglorand]

Wrong. The successor state to the Kingdom of Great Britain and to the Kingdom of Ireland was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Once the Irish Free State seceded, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland formed and became the successor state.

Well done you supported my point against you.

No, I haven't. NI is not a state. It is not a kingdom.

[Saruhan]

What are you going to try and do? Make our flag a bit redder? All that'll happen to you is that the RCMP will either kill you outright in the firefight, or when you surrender they'll leave you on the outskirts of town in the middle of winter without a coat

You think I'm going to try & fight a revolution all by myself? Obviously it will require socialist agitators to awaken the working class for spontaneous revolution.

And, as before, you'll be killed or captured quickly, like all Canadian revolutions.

[Imperiatom]

You sound like a Christian. You throw it quotes for people with a mythical status and think it somehow proves your point.


The Bible is true because the Bible says it's true.

Capitalism is a religion, it advocates complete devotion to profits.

I believe in capitalism run a business but i put family and enjoyment in the work place, self determination and the rights of the individual all before the devotion to profits.

[Free Council Communes]

It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well

So was it bad form of the anti-fascist partisans to take up arms against the Nazis during WWII?

[Napkiraly]

Not really, no, because by your logic herding 200 toddlers into a nursery and then shooting all of them for no reason other than to scare people is a justified tactic.

that too is a tactic.
But i am not going for world wide condemnation and everyone out for my head

And yet you'd be willing to enter the slave trade. Gee, I wonder what kind of light would be shone upon your little revolution once word got out that the communists fighting to free you are selling off sex slaves.

[Arglorand]

I don't exactly see what "we" did that was so wrong. She was an insurrectionary. The SPD ended her insurrection, for freedom, democracy and peace.

It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

Don't get me wrong, the Spartakusbund and related events were handled terribly.

I'm just saying, she was kind of trying to seize power by force. Not by legitimate democratic process, which was most definitely an option, unlike before or later.

[Saruhan]

It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well

So was it bad form of the anti-fascist partisans to take up arms against the Nazis during WWII?

They had a legitimate reason, the communists only rebelled because they smelled weakness, and thought it was time to spread their ideology by force

[Napkiraly]

It's kind of bad form to, under the slogan of "freedom, democracy and peace", to kill someone whose aims are a more free and more democratic society.

It's also kind of bad form to further "freedom, democracy and peace" by using gangs of demobilised crypto-fascist ultra-nationalist soldiers.

It's kinda bad to start a violent revolution as well

Depends.