Is the EU likely to unite?

[Saruhan]

So he's religious? So what? Most of humanity since forever have been like this, it's nothing to be proud of

He's an atheist. I have no clue what your trying to say.

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

[Ostroeuropa]

He's an atheist. I have no clue what your trying to say.

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

Paradise beyond the urals.

[Saruhan]

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

Paradise beyond the urals.

Oh yeah! A final heaven at the end to justify the means "A classless stateless society where all are equal and well fed and happy and rainbows and shit"

[Free Council Communes]

He's an atheist. I have no clue what your trying to say.

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

Ya I can do that with every ideology. I could just as easily say that capitalism is a religion worshiping profits.

[Libertarian California]

An Anglo power bloc would probably better than an actual union, for practical reasons.

Exactly all the country's have gained Independence from Britain in the past so they have no desire to lose their independence and being from Britain myself i have no wish to impose our political control over those nations again. And as you say apart from the moment of Independence we have all supported each other through troubles from WW1 to 9/11

Indeed. While there may have been some wavering (Suez, Panama), we've generally got each other's backs in a crisis.

I'm trying to popularize the term Anglobros.

[Free Council Communes]

Paradise beyond the urals.

Oh yeah! A final heaven at the end to justify the means "A classless stateless society where all are equal and well fed and happy and rainbows and shit"

"An end which requires unjustified means is no justifiable end." -Karl Marx

[Divair]

Oh yeah! A final heaven at the end to justify the means "A classless stateless society where all are equal and well fed and happy and rainbows and shit"

"An end which requires unjustified means is no justifiable end." -Karl Marx

Which is ironic, because you just advocated using every possible tactic to fight against capitalism

[CTALNH]

Actually, although I do not see eye-to-eye with CTALNH on some things, he is one of the most sincere & well-intended

Let me stop you there.

of course you shoot the children you wanna raise possible dissenters?I don't.

Where were we?

revolutionaries I have ever met. He doesn't say things he doesn't really mean. He is a true revolutionary,

Who doesn't understand Marxism.

not some kid trying to be hardcore on the internet.

I suggest you read his post history.

Either you shoot them or indoctrinate them.

[Imperiatom]

Yes, because capitalism always promotes freedom of speech & socialism always wants to end it.
Read about Chile.

There is a difference between socialism and a party that professes to be socialist. Namely that if their are other partys then the country is not a socialist nation.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, because capitalism always promotes freedom of speech & socialism always wants to end it.
Read about Chile.

There is a difference between socialism and a party that professes to be socialist. Namely that if their are other partys then the country is not a socialist nation.

Calling bullshit on this.

[Libertarian California]

He's an atheist. I have no clue what your trying to say.

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

There is so much win here.

[Saruhan]

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

Ya I can do that with every ideology. I could just as easily say that capitalism is a religion worshiping profits.

It's just that, with the exception of fascism and Nazism, no other ideology take it to the level that communists do

And do you really want to be bedfellows with those guys?

[Saruhan]

Oh yeah! A final heaven at the end to justify the means "A classless stateless society where all are equal and well fed and happy and rainbows and shit"

"An end which requires unjustified means is no justifiable end." -Karl Marx

All tactics are justified in the fight against capitalism.

[Free Council Communes]

"An end which requires unjustified means is no justifiable end." -Karl Marx

Which is ironic, because you just advocated using every possible tactic to fight against capitalism

I just said all tactics are justified to bring down capitalism. The means themselves are justified if they will directly help bring down capitalism, and anything that directly helps bring down capitalism is in itself justified.

[Saruhan]

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

There is so much win here.

It's what i've been seeing, 'tis all

[Ostroeuropa]

Ya I can do that with every ideology. I could just as easily say that capitalism is a religion worshiping profits.

It's just that, with the exception of fascism and Nazism, no other ideology take it to the level that communists do

And do you really want to be bedfellows with those guys?

I dunno, have you seen my pitch for syndicalism?
I tend to go glassy eyed and start using biblical language. The difference is, i'm RIGHT damn it!

[Imperiatom]

He's an atheist. I have no clue what your trying to say.

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

Brilliant mate, add to that that they did not agree with other religions and you have the classic monotheistic religion.

[Libertarian California]

Communism is a religion, at least it seems to be:

Semi-mythicalised founder (Marx)
Different sects all claiming to be the "True communism"
Religious Martyrs
Each sect has a patron saint
If something doesn't work, they were either:
No true communist
Or
They didn't do X enough
religious/political strata "High chairman at highest to lowest bureaucracy"
A will to convert all those who aren't communist
Etc

Ya I can do that with every ideology. I could just as easily say that capitalism is a religion worshiping profits.

Not really. Capitalism is more of a set of personal goals for each individual.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Yes, because capitalism always promotes freedom of speech & socialism always wants to end it.
Read about Chile.

There is a difference between socialism and a party that professes to be socialist. Namely that if their are other partys then the country is not a socialist nation.

You're talking bullshit.

[Free Council Communes]

Let me stop you there.



Where were we?


Who doesn't understand Marxism.



I suggest you read his post history.

Either you shoot them or indoctrinate them.

I have to disagree with Comrade CTALNH here.

[Imperiatom]

Oh yeah! A final heaven at the end to justify the means "A classless stateless society where all are equal and well fed and happy and rainbows and shit"

"An end which requires unjustified means is no justifiable end." -Karl Marx

Probably the wisest thing he ever said.

[Divair]

Which is ironic, because you just advocated using every possible tactic to fight against capitalism

I just said all tactics are justified to bring down capitalism. The means themselves are justified if they will directly help bring down capitalism, and anything that directly helps bring down capitalism is in itself justified.

Says who? Rhetorical question, says no one. This is the same fucking stupid logic that any extremist twat can use to justify practically anything. Mass rape? Bro, it's justified. Genocide of everyone except people of the same political beliefs? Bro, it's justified. Kidnapping children? Bro, it's justified. If you ever want to be taken seriously by anyone on this forum, cut the "LOL JUST DO WHATEVER, WOO COMMUNISM BABY!" rhetoric and actually try to have a civil debate rather than just advocating everything.

[Ostroeuropa]

There is a difference between socialism and a party that professes to be socialist. Namely that if their are other partys then the country is not a socialist nation.

You're talking bullshit.

As a perfect example of this, nothing would prevent FST here from running "To the right" of me if we were to suddenly turn the UK syndicalist.
If I understand correctly, he's somewhat more minarchist than I am, and yet both of us are "socialists" despite being pretty big on market forces and such, and democracy.

In fact, my ideal vision for the future of the country is a syndicalist-conservative party and a syndicalist-labour party largely squabbling over the usual shit that they currently do (welfare amounts and such) with syndicated economies, and a very liberalized social policy (Drugs etc legal)

[Saruhan]

It's just that, with the exception of fascism and Nazism, no other ideology take it to the level that communists do

And do you really want to be bedfellows with those guys?

I dunno, have you seen my pitch for syndicalism?
I tend to go glassy eyed and start using biblical language. The difference is, i'm RIGHT damn it!

Oh, btw, when I say communism I use it as a catch all for Maoism, Marxism, the more Radical Syndicalism, etc. Basically everyone who's not a democratic socialist, social democrat, or one of those small in-betweenie ones that I can't be arsed to remember.

You know, gradual democracy and shit

[Ostroeuropa]

I dunno, have you seen my pitch for syndicalism?
I tend to go glassy eyed and start using biblical language. The difference is, i'm RIGHT damn it!

Oh, btw, when I say communism I use it as a catch all for Maoism, Marxism, the more Radical Syndicalism, etc. Basically everyone who's not a democratic socialist, social democrat, or one of those small in-betweenie ones that I can't be arsed to remember

Anarcho syndicalists make me cry.