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Do you think the EU is likely to become The United States of Europe?

Yes, definately and without a doubt.
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It is a possibility, but not in the near future.
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I hope not!
89
26%
No, too much power leads to conflict ect.
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Total votes : 345

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:15 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
An Anglo power bloc would probably better than an actual union, for practical reasons.


Exactly all the country's have gained Independence from Britain in the past so they have no desire to lose their independence and being from Britain myself i have no wish to impose our political control over those nations again. And as you say apart from the moment of Independence we have all supported each other through troubles from WW1 to 9/11

Excluding, you know, the Troubles. And ignoring the fact that European countries also supported the US and UK in various situations.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:15 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Exactly all the country's have gained Independence from Britain in the past so they have no desire to lose their independence and being from Britain myself i have no wish to impose our political control over those nations again. And as you say apart from the moment of Independence we have all supported each other through troubles from WW1 to 9/11


Suez.


The last roar that turned out to be a squeak.
And to be fair, we did pretty harshly condemn Eden and his actions.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:15 am

Yehuddah wrote:If I have been one of those nations living in the EU, I would do what ever I can to make it dissolve.

In that case, we would somewhat fall short of being scared by your attempt, you know.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:16 am

CTALNH wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Not really, no, because by your logic herding 200 toddlers into a nursery and then shooting all of them for no reason other than to scare people is a justified tactic.

that too is a tactic.
But i am not going for world wide condemnation and everyone out for my head

You aren't?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:17 am

Arglorand wrote:
CTALNH wrote:that too is a tactic.
But i am not going for world wide condemnation and everyone out for my head

You aren't?

Nah, he's going for people online thinking he's hardcore.

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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:18 am

Free Council Communes wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
I do have a dream, its called knowbody gets blown up by terrorists because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

All tactics are justified in the fight against capitalism.


The only reason you are free to talk about your ideas is because of the capitalist democratic system. So i am glad that my ideology respects freedom of expression whilst the irony of your ideology is that the chance's are you would die in its conception at the hand of the very system you helped to create.

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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:18 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:All tactics are justified in the fight against capitalism.


"Why the fuck are you slamming moons into the planet?!"
"We must destroy capitalism."

If we did that we would have achieved a disturbed version of communism
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:18 am

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Not really, no, because by your logic herding 200 toddlers into a nursery and then shooting all of them for no reason other than to scare people is a justified tactic.

And explain how that would help bring down capitalism.


That wasn't a prerequisite of your statement. I'm sure you could manage to construct some bullshit justification for it anyway; CTALNH has certainly advocated murdering children in the past.

I said that anything is justified in the fight against capitalism, not everything is justified when there is a fight against capitalism.


And the practical difference between the two is? The first statement doesn't necessitate that the tactics have to be relevant to the fight.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:18 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:All tactics are justified in the fight against capitalism.


The only reason you are free to talk about your ideas is because of the capitalist democratic system. So i am glad that my ideology respects freedom of expression whilst the irony of your ideology is that the chance's are you would die in its conception at the hand of the very system you helped to create.


Free market democratic system. I don't see how capitalism has anything to do with it.
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Postby Texacoe » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:19 am

Arglorand wrote:
Harold I wrote:They are taking away independance away from countries like the UK, Spain, Portugal. If I do end up living in a USOE, I am moving to Canada.

The UK happens to also be a union of countries, not a country, so.

That's a pretty flawed premise right there.

Its a union of kimgdoms, not countries. No Duh :eyebrow:
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:20 am

Texacoe wrote:
Arglorand wrote:The UK happens to also be a union of countries, not a country, so.

That's a pretty flawed premise right there.

Its a union of kimgdoms, not countries. No Duh :eyebrow:

Wales isn't a kingdom, nor is NI.

Look up "constituent country".
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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
Arglorand wrote:You aren't?

Nah, he's going for people online thinking he's hardcore.

Actually, although I do not see eye-to-eye with CTALNH on some things, he is one of the most sincere & well-intended revolutionaries I have ever met. He doesn't say things he doesn't really mean. He is a true revolutionary, not some kid trying to be hardcore on the internet.
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Postby United Paradisia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:20 am

No not all of it, France, Luxembourg, Italy and Germany might but the UK definitely won't join
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:21 am

Free Council Communes wrote:not some kid trying to be hardcore on the internet.

Your perception of other people is.. flawed.

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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Arglorand wrote:You aren't?

Nah, he's going for people online thinking he's hardcore.

I also say the same things in real.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:22 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
The only reason you are free to talk about your ideas is because of the capitalist democratic system. So i am glad that my ideology respects freedom of expression whilst the irony of your ideology is that the chance's are you would die in its conception at the hand of the very system you helped to create.


Free market democratic system. I don't see how capitalism has anything to do with it.


:palm:

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:23 am

Free Council Communes wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, he's going for people online thinking he's hardcore.

Actually, although I do not see eye-to-eye with CTALNH on some things, he is one of the most sincere & well-intended


Let me stop you there.

CTALNH wrote:of course you shoot the children you wanna raise possible dissenters?I don't.


Where were we?

Free Council Communes wrote:revolutionaries I have ever met. He doesn't say things he doesn't really mean. He is a true revolutionary,


Who doesn't understand Marxism.

not some kid trying to be hardcore on the internet.


I suggest you read his post history.
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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:23 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Free market democratic system. I don't see how capitalism has anything to do with it.


:palm:

Yes, because capitalism always promotes freedom of speech & socialism always wants to end it. :rofl:
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:23 am

Arglorand wrote:
Texacoe wrote:Its a union of kimgdoms, not countries. No Duh :eyebrow:

Wales isn't a kingdom, nor is NI.

Look up "constituent country".


Wales is a principality, a minor form of a kingdom.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:23 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Free market democratic system. I don't see how capitalism has anything to do with it.


:palm:


If you're able to explain why capitalism has helped then do so.
And please, do it without reference to free markets, since I included those.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:24 am

Free Council Communes wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Nah, he's going for people online thinking he's hardcore.

Actually, although I do not see eye-to-eye with CTALNH on some things, he is one of the most sincere & well-intended revolutionaries I have ever met. He doesn't say things he doesn't really mean. He is a true revolutionary, not some kid trying to be hardcore on the internet.

So he's religious? So what? Most of humanity since forever have been like this, it's nothing to be proud of
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Postby Al-Quarra » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:25 am

No, never.

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Postby Free Council Communes » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:25 am

Saruhan wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Actually, although I do not see eye-to-eye with CTALNH on some things, he is one of the most sincere & well-intended revolutionaries I have ever met. He doesn't say things he doesn't really mean. He is a true revolutionary, not some kid trying to be hardcore on the internet.

So he's religious? So what? Most of humanity since forever have been like this, it's nothing to be proud of

He's an atheist. I have no clue what your trying to say. :blink:
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:25 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
I do have a dream, its called knowbody gets blown up by terrorists because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

News at 11 nobody is innocent.


In that case you would be the first to be executed.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:27 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Wales isn't a kingdom, nor is NI.

Look up "constituent country".


Wales is a principality, a minor form of a kingdom.

Wales' head of state is the Queen, not the Prince of Wales. It's only a principality in name.

Even if it is "a minor form of a kingdom", NI is not.
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