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Do you think the EU is likely to become The United States of Europe?

Yes, definately and without a doubt.
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It is a possibility, but not in the near future.
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I hope not!
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No, too much power leads to conflict ect.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:44 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.


They are getting closer to "winning" and if they win then butt well and truly kicked.

Closer to peace, sure. They're no closer to "winning".

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:45 am

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Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.


They are getting closer to "winning" and if they win then butt well and truly kicked.

How so? Support for independence is falling among all sections of the population
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Postby Uelvan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:45 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.


They are getting closer to "winning" and if they win then butt well and truly kicked.


That would be a good point, but there's one huge flaw in your thought process. Ireland is western.

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:46 am

Haydenish People wrote:How is the Euro a bad idea? It means you don't have to convert your money every time you enter a new country. It allows for easier intra-Europe commerce, and is more valuable than the US dollar. I actually like common currencies; they're good for countries with similar economies, as is the case with the EU.


If a North American Union was formed, the Amero would be worthless. We're merging a failing dollar with an already failed peso.

No thank you.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:47 am

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CTALNH wrote:What?
I support IRAs history.

Why would I not support RIRA?

Because they are murderous, ravaging maniacs who plant nail bombs in cars and murder innocent people.

... You know, that's actually a pretty good reason why you should support them, yes.

What nothing beats a pipe bomb us an attention grabber
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:47 am

Ifreann wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:I'd like to have a united Anglosphere by 2200, but it's a pipe dream.

Probably because a common language isn't much reason to form a massive, globe spanning country.


Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:48 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Haydenish People wrote:How is the Euro a bad idea? It means you don't have to convert your money every time you enter a new country. It allows for easier intra-Europe commerce, and is more valuable than the US dollar. I actually like common currencies; they're good for countries with similar economies, as is the case with the EU.


If a North American Union was formed, the Amero would be worthless. We're merging a failing dollar with an already failed peso.

No thank you.

*merging two of the strongest currencies in the world will make it worthless because one is falling slightly at this time*

Now if you could explain how this makes any kind of fucking sense?
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:48 am

CTALNH wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Because they are murderous, ravaging maniacs who plant nail bombs in cars and murder innocent people.

... You know, that's actually a pretty good reason why you should support them, yes.

What nothing beats a pipe bomb us an attention grabber

Oh, so they're like children. They want attention, so they break stuff.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:48 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Probably because a common language isn't much reason to form a massive, globe spanning country.


Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.

A common language isn't much reason for massively disparate countries to unite in foreign policy, trade and defence.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:48 am

CTALNH wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Because they are murderous, ravaging maniacs who plant nail bombs in cars and murder innocent people.

... You know, that's actually a pretty good reason why you should support them, yes.

What nothing beats a pipe bomb us an attention grabber


It also makes people hate you and less willing to support you.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:49 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.


They are getting closer to "winning" and if they win then butt well and truly kicked.

They're not, no, unless you have a bizarre definition of the word "winning". You're currently on 0 examples.
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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:49 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Probably because a common language isn't much reason to form a massive, globe spanning country.


Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.


By 2200, we could at least have a common currency for the US and Canada, Australia and New Zealand, etc. Perhaps a political union could not work, but closer economic and military ties would be ideal.

Basically, the Anglo nations form their own power bloc.
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:50 am

Uelvan wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
They are getting closer to "winning" and if they win then butt well and truly kicked.


That would be a good point, but there's one huge flaw in your thought process. Ireland is western.


For the third time my point was about guerrilla's in general i stated that it was western country's being beaten but i did not say that the guerrillas who did it could not also be from the west.

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:50 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Probably because a common language isn't much reason to form a massive, globe spanning country.


Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.

Except for the fact that the strongest faction would only do things that benefit them, therefor fuck that noise
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.

A common language isn't much reason for massively disparate countries to unite in foreign policy, trade and defence.


Common culture, and a lot of common interests. (America + Canada), (Australia + New Zealand).

I'd be opposed to such a union right now, but it may be necessary once the rest of the world starts forming up into superstates.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:52 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.


By 2200, we could at least have a common currency for the US and Canada, Australia and New Zealand, etc. Perhaps a political union could not work, but closer economic and military ties would be ideal.

Basically, the Anglo nations form their own power bloc.

Dreadful idea. Why would England and Ireland favour trade and economic ties with North America(across the Atlantic) or Australia(the other fucking side of the world) over trade with Europe? Because we all speak English?

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:52 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Ifreann wrote:A common language isn't much reason for massively disparate countries to unite in foreign policy, trade and defence.


Common culture, and a lot of common interests. (America + Canada), (Australia + New Zealand).

I'd be opposed to such a union right now, but it may be necessary once the rest of the world starts forming up into superstates.

TBH i'd rather join the European Federation in that case. Because European English, like the European version of every language, sounds better than the North American, African, or Asian version
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:53 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Ifreann wrote:A common language isn't much reason for massively disparate countries to unite in foreign policy, trade and defence.


Common culture,

Only in that we all watch American TV.
and a lot of common interests. (America + Canada), (Australia + New Zealand).

Sure, but why would Australia and New Zealand share national interests with the US and Canada?

I'd be opposed to such a union right now, but it may be necessary once the rest of the world starts forming up into superstates.

Why wouldn't the anglosphere countries just participate in their local superstates?

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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:54 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Because they are murderous, ravaging maniacs who plant nail bombs in cars and murder innocent people.

... You know, that's actually a pretty good reason why you should support them, yes.


Exactly, I have great respect for the British soldiers that sacrificed their lives to protect the innocents of both side as i do those who are nationalist but respect the lives and right off others but want to unite the country as one and do what they can to discredit the RIRA.

I believe in using pipe bombs to spread my political views.You?You have your pipe dream.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:54 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.


By 2200, we could at least have a common currency for the US and Canada, Australia and New Zealand, etc. Perhaps a political union could not work, but closer economic and military ties would be ideal.

Basically, the Anglo nations form their own power bloc.

By 2200, the US won't be an Anglo nation anymore.
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:55 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Exactly, I have great respect for the British soldiers that sacrificed their lives to protect the innocents of both side as i do those who are nationalist but respect the lives and right off others but want to unite the country as one and do what they can to discredit the RIRA.

I believe in using pipe bombs to spread my political views.


Remind me how being arrested and locked up for however long the maximum sentence for treason and/or murder is in Greece works out for you, and how being imprisoned having killed innocent people helps you spread your views.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:55 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Exactly, I have great respect for the British soldiers that sacrificed their lives to protect the innocents of both side as i do those who are nationalist but respect the lives and right off others but want to unite the country as one and do what they can to discredit the RIRA.

I believe in using pipe bombs to spread my political views.You?You have your pipe dream.

Have fun during your Junta when the more powerful factions use your bullshit to impose martial law. I mean with your history you should know this by now
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:55 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Exactly, I have great respect for the British soldiers that sacrificed their lives to protect the innocents of both side as i do those who are nationalist but respect the lives and right off others but want to unite the country as one and do what they can to discredit the RIRA.

I believe in using pipe bombs to spread my political views.You?You have your pipe dream.

Then I believe in arresting you as a petty criminal.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:56 am

Libertarian California wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Does not mean they have to be a federal state just that they are united in foreign policy, trade and defense. English speaking country's have much closer cultural ties to each other than the country's of the EU do, so it would probably be more popular within those nation's concerned than the EU is.


By 2200, we could at least have a common currency for the US and Canada, Australia and New Zealand, etc. Perhaps a political union could not work, but closer economic and military ties would be ideal.

Basically, the Anglo nations form their own power bloc.


My hope is similar but it is the whole of the commonwealth comes together with the whole of the American bloc and influenced nations. I don't think a political union could ever work but a group of country's that combine the US and what was the British empires military and economic might would be forever the world's premier power bloc and crucially one that was in favor of democracy and the right all men being equal under the law.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:56 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
Exactly, I have great respect for the British soldiers that sacrificed their lives to protect the innocents of both side as i do those who are nationalist but respect the lives and right off others but want to unite the country as one and do what they can to discredit the RIRA.

I believe in using pipe bombs to spread my political views.You?You have your pipe dream.

No you don't. You believe in talking big on the internet. If you have even a lick of sense, and I hope you do, you'll never follow through on all this murder and terrorism you like to glorify.

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