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Is the EU likely to unite?

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Do you think the EU is likely to become The United States of Europe?

Yes, definately and without a doubt.
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7%
It is a possibility, but not in the near future.
161
47%
I hope not!
89
26%
No, too much power leads to conflict ect.
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Total votes : 345

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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:26 am

CTALNH wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:The IRA is Western. *nods*

Long live RIRA!


You are a despicable and disgusting human being!

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:28 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remind me, how many troops did the EU deploy to Cyprus to get it to join the Euro?


They threatened to remove the president of a sovereign nation unless the Parliament ratified deal which indecently was about 3 times worse than the original deal the parliament rejected as they did not want it.


Are you talking about recently, or when Cyprus joined the Euro?

The people did not vote to join the Eurozone and it is clear the people don't want it,


I don't have a huge amount of sympathy, shit as their situation is, for an island which just elected a pro-austerity President after a run-off with 57% of the vote.

Anybody that believes in the EU uniting to one nation is an enemy of freedom and the right to self determination.


Bullshit generalisation is bullshit.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:28 am

Imperiatom wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Long live RIRA!


You are a despicable and disgusting human being!

:p Probably but aren't we all?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Haydenish People » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:28 am

How is the Euro a bad idea? It means you don't have to convert your money every time you enter a new country. It allows for easier intra-Europe commerce, and is more valuable than the US dollar. I actually like common currencies; they're good for countries with similar economies, as is the case with the EU.
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:29 am

Haydenish People wrote:How is the Euro a bad idea? It means you don't have to convert your money every time you enter a new country. It allows for easier intra-Europe commerce, and is more valuable than the US dollar. I actually like common currencies; they're good for countries with similar economies, as is the case with the EU.

It's not so much a bad idea as bad implementation. Because the economies of the Eurozone are so diverse, the value of the Euro is kind of fucked up for everyone.

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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:29 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
You are a despicable and disgusting human being!

:p Probably but aren't we all?

No.

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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:30 am

Divair wrote:
CTALNH wrote: :p Probably but aren't we all?

No.

Oh yes...
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:30 am

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:No.

Oh yes...

No.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:31 am

CTALNH wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:The IRA is Western. *nods*

Long live RIRA!

No.
As a supporter of Irish unification, I cannot let you derail the very concept.
Just no.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:32 am

Arglorand wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Long live RIRA!

No.
As a supporter of Irish unification, I cannot let you derail the very concept.
Just no.

What?
I support IRAs history.

Why would I not support RIRA?
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:33 am

Divair wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Oh yes...

No.

Oh Yes!!! :twisted:
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:33 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Remind me, how many troops did the EU deploy to Cyprus to get it to join the Euro?


They threatened to remove the president of a sovereign nation unless the Parliament ratified deal which indecently was about 3 times worse than the original deal the parliament rejected as they did not want it. The people did not vote to join the Eurozone and it is clear the people don't want it, Anybody that believes in the EU uniting to one nation is an enemy of freedom and the right to self determination.

Remind me, how many troops did the EU deploy to Cyprus to get it to join the Euro?

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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:33 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
They threatened to remove the president of a sovereign nation unless the Parliament ratified deal which indecently was about 3 times worse than the original deal the parliament rejected as they did not want it.


Are you talking about recently, or when Cyprus joined the Euro?

The people did not vote to join the Eurozone and it is clear the people don't want it,


I don't have a huge amount of sympathy, shit as their situation is, for an island which just elected a pro-austerity President after a run-off with 57% of the vote.

Anybody that believes in the EU uniting to one nation is an enemy of freedom and the right to self determination.


Bullshit generalisation is bullshit.


You call it bullshit i call it truth so i guess we know which group you fall into.

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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:33 am

CTALNH wrote:
Divair wrote:No.

Oh Yes!!! :twisted:

No. Your delusional fantasy concerning humans is somewhat saddening, but probably a result of your age. Or it's just a really, really bad attempt at a joke.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:33 am

CTALNH wrote:
Arglorand wrote:No.
As a supporter of Irish unification, I cannot let you derail the very concept.
Just no.

What?
I support IRAs history.

Why would I not support RIRA?

Because they are murderous, ravaging maniacs who plant nail bombs in cars and murder innocent people.

... You know, that's actually a pretty good reason why you should support them, yes.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:34 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
You are a despicable and disgusting human being!

:p Probably but aren't we all?

No. Most of us are not.

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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:34 am

Haydenish People wrote:How is the Euro a bad idea? It means you don't have to convert your money every time you enter a new country. It allows for easier intra-Europe commerce, and is more valuable than the US dollar. I actually like common currencies; they're good for countries with similar economies, as is the case with the EU.


When you have some grasp of basic economic principles you will understand why it is a bad idea.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:36 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Are you talking about recently, or when Cyprus joined the Euro?



I don't have a huge amount of sympathy, shit as their situation is, for an island which just elected a pro-austerity President after a run-off with 57% of the vote.



Bullshit generalisation is bullshit.


You call it bullshit i call it truth so i guess we know which group you fall into.


Why are you in the business of calling unsupported and demonstrably inaccurate generalisations "truth"? It's not a good thing to do.

Not least because I support self-determination for people and would like to see the idea of a European Federation put to the vote for all inhabitants of voting age in EU countries, with those countries whose inhabitants are in support by a majority joining the federation.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:37 am

Imperiatom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And there are examples I gave of them achieving nothing. Curious.


The nationalists in northern Ireland have a large representation in the Assembly so they did achieve something as they forced the British government to negotiate and that enabled them to join the political process.

I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.
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Postby Uelvan » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:38 am

EU will have to stop their shitty southern countries from jumping off the sinking EU boat first.

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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:41 am

Arglorand wrote:
CTALNH wrote:What?
I support IRAs history.

Why would I not support RIRA?

Because they are murderous, ravaging maniacs who plant nail bombs in cars and murder innocent people.

... You know, that's actually a pretty good reason why you should support them, yes.


Exactly, I have great respect for the British soldiers that sacrificed their lives to protect the innocents of both side as i do those who are nationalist but respect the lives and right off others but want to unite the country as one and do what they can to discredit the RIRA.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:42 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
The nationalists in northern Ireland have a large representation in the Assembly so they did achieve something as they forced the British government to negotiate and that enabled them to join the political process.

I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.

Nor was it by any stretch the goals of those actually blowing shit up. The ones who secured political representation are the ones who stopped making bombs and cut up their guns.

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:43 am

I'd like to have a united Anglosphere by 2200, but it's a pipe dream.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:44 am

Libertarian California wrote:I'd like to have a united Anglosphere by 2200, but it's a pipe dream.

Probably because a common language isn't much reason to form a massive, globe spanning country.

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Postby Imperiatom » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:44 am

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Imperiatom wrote:
The nationalists in northern Ireland have a large representation in the Assembly so they did achieve something as they forced the British government to negotiate and that enabled them to join the political process.

I hardly see how that was "kicking western butt" in anyway whatsoever.


They are getting closer to "winning" and if they win then butt well and truly kicked.

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