What/who is god.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:36 pm

Nonexistent.

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Czechanada wrote:So how do you know that is the right god?

because the Quran says so, and bible and torah confirm so @__@ of course this might not be good enough for a lot of people but thats ok

by **Samuraikoku** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:52 pm

Elanore wrote:because the Quran says so, and bible and torah confirm so @__@ of course this might not be good enough for a lot of people but thats ok

My spider-sense is detecting a circular argument coming.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:55 pm

Elanore wrote:
Czechanada wrote:So how do you know that is the right god?

because the Quran says so, and bible and torah confirm so @__@ of course this might not be good enough for a lot of people but thats ok

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:55 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:My spider-sense is detecting a circular argument coming.

no because there is nothing to argue lol this is just my belief and everybody else belief is cool with me ^__^

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:56 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:(Image)

maybe this would have been better if you used the Quran ;D

EDITL btw a good part in the Quran, talk about bigbang “And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)

by **Imperial Nilfgaard** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:06 pm

God is an artificial construct used for the purpose of control of the masses.
The sheep need a savior to distract from their daily woes.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:07 pm

Elanore wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:My spider-sense is detecting a circular argument coming.

no because there is nothing to argue lol this is just my belief and everybody else belief is cool with me ^__^

NSG is a debate forum.

by **Anachronous Rex** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:08 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:God is an artificial construct used to for the purpose of control of the masses.
The sheep need a savior to distract from their daily woes.

I'm a pretty hardcore atheist, and even I think this is condescending rubbish.

by **Imperial Nilfgaard** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:09 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:God is an artificial construct used to for the purpose of control of the masses.
The sheep need a savior to distract from their daily woes.

I'm a pretty hardcore atheist, and even I think this is condescending rubbish.

No it is not. Religion has for centuries been used as a method of control. Quite brilliantly, we might add.

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:10 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:NSG is a debate forum.

ok fine then I will argue >:D

by **Samuraikoku** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:11 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Elanore wrote:
because the Quran says so, and bible and torah confirm so @__@ of course this might not be good enough for a lot of people but thats ok

http://blogforthelordjesuscurrentevents.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/break-the-cycle.jpg

Called it.

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:12 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:No it is not. Religion has for centuries been used as a method of control. Quite brilliantly, we might add.

so are you saying athiest cant control? how about communist countries that oppressed people and were non religious? religion can be used for bad yes, but it can also be used for good

by **Regnum Dominae** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:12 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:http://blogforthelordjesuscurrentevents.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/break-the-cycle.jpg

Called it.

You called what? That image being posted?

by **Samuraikoku** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:13 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:You called what? That image being posted?

Usually when there's a circular argument about to appear, that image shows up.

by **Anachronous Rex** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:15 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:I'm a pretty hardcore atheist, and even I think this is condescending rubbish.

No it is not. Religion has for centuries been used as a method of control. Quite brilliantly, we might add.

Your view lacks nuance.

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower."

by **Imperial Nilfgaard** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:15 pm

Elanore wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:No it is not. Religion has for centuries been used as a method of control. Quite brilliantly, we might add.

so are you saying athiest cant control? how about communist countries that oppressed people and were non religious? religion can be used for bad yes, but it can also be used for good

Nope thats not what we said. Atheists can certainly control as well. Religion isn't the only method for placating the masses, but is one of the more common methods. History has proven it's effectiveness.

by **Gideus** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:16 pm

Noone has said it yet?

God is obviously the holy trinity of... wait for it...

by **Anachronous Rex** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:16 pm

Elanore wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:No it is not. Religion has for centuries been used as a method of control. Quite brilliantly, we might add.

so are you saying athiest cant control? how about communist countries that oppressed people and were non religious? religion can be used for bad yes, but it can also be used for good

Atheism, by definition, can't be used as a justification for any positive action, because atheism - properly defined - lacks all content.

by **Randy F Marsh** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:16 pm

Disserbia wrote:Better than you.

God, you are so mean haha

by **Lucius Valentine** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:18 pm

-REDACTED-

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:18 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Nope thats not what we said. Atheists can certainly control as well. Religion isn't the only method for placating the masses, but is one of the more common methods. History has proven it's effectiveness.

so if both can control people then what is the conclusion? that people like power, and like to control, and will use what they can to get it. really the religion itself and the tenant of the religion have no fault in the oppresing of people, at least not my religion

by **Nirvash Type TheEND** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:18 pm

A loving woman.

by **Elanore** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:20 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:Atheism, by definition, can't be used as a justification for any positive action, because atheism - properly defined - lacks all content.

ok then what you are saying is if religion is being used then blame it, if there is no religion behind it then nothing?

by **Imperial Nilfgaard** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:20 pm

Elanore wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Nope thats not what we said. Atheists can certainly control as well. Religion isn't the only method for placating the masses, but is one of the more common methods. History has proven it's effectiveness.

so if both can control people then what is the conclusion? that people like power, and like to control, and will use what they can to get it. really the religion itself and the tenant of the religion have no fault in the oppresing of people, at least not my religion

Religion is used for the purpose of control. It's origins are largely irrelevent.

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