The North Korea Juche Songun Anti-Imperialist Megathread

[Hathradic States]

A wee bit. The main difference between now and every other time they've done this shit is that their leader actually believes this bullshit. Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il both had more humble beginnings, and probably knew they were full of shit. Kim Jong-Un has been raised as the son of a god, and his generals are all too young to remember the last war. It may not happen soon, but disaster on the Korean Peninsula will happen.

Kim Jong-il did not have humble beginnings, and was just as spoiled as his son, Kim Jong-un. Nothing indicates that Kim Jong-un has been indoctrinated, either. He was educated abroad in Switzerland, and is probably too young and inexperienced to be tasked with most of these decisions. He's probably more crucial as a legitimiser than an actual decision-maker.

Kim Jong-Il was old enough to remember Korea before the war, that is the difference.

And he likely is more of a legitimiser than anything else. Still, nothing happens without his say so, and he seems likely to be the one who start this shit.

[Seleucas]

A wee bit. The main difference between now and every other time they've done this shit is that their leader actually believes this bullshit. Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il both had more humble beginnings, and probably knew they were full of shit. Kim Jong-Un has been raised as the son of a god, and his generals are all too young to remember the last war. It may not happen soon, but disaster on the Korean Peninsula will happen.

Kim Jong-il did not have humble beginnings, and was just as spoiled as his son, Kim Jong-un. Nothing indicates that Kim Jong-un has been indoctrinated, either. He was educated abroad in Switzerland, and is probably too young and inexperienced to be tasked with most of these decisions. He's probably more crucial as a legitimiser than an actual decision-maker.

Do you think he might be acting up in order to show that he is as tough as daddy was? (Given whatever power he has; I would imagine that, like in most any other single-party state, it is the party in power that really calls the shots.)

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Kim Jong-il did not have humble beginnings, and was just as spoiled as his son, Kim Jong-un. Nothing indicates that Kim Jong-un has been indoctrinated, either. He was educated abroad in Switzerland, and is probably too young and inexperienced to be tasked with most of these decisions. He's probably more crucial as a legitimiser than an actual decision-maker.

Kim Jong-Il was old enough to remember Korea before the war, that is the difference.

And he likely is more of a legitimiser than anything else. Still, nothing happens without his say so, and he seems likely to be the one who start this shit.

So? Kim Jong-il was around 10 and probably in China during the Korean War. That he had a vague and detatched recollection of it wasn't a particularly important factor in his decision-making, or at least nothing indicates that it was. The information flowing out of North Korea indicates that sheer pragmatism based on the here-and-now was the driving force behind the regime's decisions during his reign, and still is.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Kim Jong-il did not have humble beginnings, and was just as spoiled as his son, Kim Jong-un. Nothing indicates that Kim Jong-un has been indoctrinated, either. He was educated abroad in Switzerland, and is probably too young and inexperienced to be tasked with most of these decisions. He's probably more crucial as a legitimiser than an actual decision-maker.

Do you think he might be acting up in order to show that he is as tough as daddy was? (Given whatever power he has; I would imagine that, like in most any other single-party state, it is the party in power that really calls the shots.)

Perhaps. Making quite clear the continuity (and therefore stability) of the regime, from father to son, by affirming the regime's stance on nuclear weapons and their aggressive opposition to "outside forces" could well be a component of this spat. I think there are more important forces driving it, though.

[Seleucas]

Do you think he might be acting up in order to show that he is as tough as daddy was? (Given whatever power he has; I would imagine that, like in most any other single-party state, it is the party in power that really calls the shots.)

Perhaps. Making quite clear the continuity (and therefore stability) of the regime, from father to son, by affirming the regime's stance on nuclear weapons and their aggressive opposition to "outside forces" could well be a component of this spat. I think there are more important forces driving it, though.

Of course, I think that there are some valid pragmatic reasons for them to try things like this (though it might not pan out if they actually attempted a nuclear strike... which, TBH, isn't really their intention. Leveraging the threat is.)

[Scomagia]

Yes. It's irritating to see people act like NK will get completely steamrolled without doing any damage themselves. They would get steamrolled, but SK would be hit pretty hard.

[The Orson Empire]

The U.S. would ROFLstomp North Korea, so no.

/thread.

[Seleucas]

Yes. It's irritating to see people act like NK will get completely steamrolled without doing any damage themselves. They would get steamrolled, but SK would be hit pretty hard.

Well, I think that is at least as problematic as people thinking that NK could seriously pull off a nuclear attack on the US (and TBH these ideas aren't mutually exclusive, which is all the more dangerous.) I really have to wonder why SK would want to go along with the US's aggressive posturing in the form of larger and more hostile war games etc., knowing how many of their own people could be harmed. (Especially since many South Koreans don't want the Americans there to begin with.)

[Wamitoria]

Not really, in absence of the one thing that guarantees war happening.

[The Romulan Republic]

The U.S. would ROFLstomp North Korea, so no.

/thread.

Obviously the lives of people on the Korean peninsula don't matter.

[Scomagia]

Yes. It's irritating to see people act like NK will get completely steamrolled without doing any damage themselves. They would get steamrolled, but SK would be hit pretty hard.

Well, I think that is at least as problematic as people thinking that NK could seriously pull off a nuclear attack on the US (and TBH these ideas aren't mutually exclusive, which is all the more dangerous.) I really have to wonder why SK would want to go along with the US's aggressive posturing in the form of larger and more hostile war games etc., knowing how many of their own people could be harmed. (Especially since many South Koreans don't want the Americans there to begin with.)

People don't seem to care about what would happen to SK, instead preferring to wank to the idea of the U.S. curbstomping NK and "bringing democracy" to the NK people.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

"Yes" shouldn't even have 2 votes unless people are being sarcastic...

I think any threat to use nuclear weapons should be taken seriously. Just like anything that increases the chance a war will happen should be taken seriously.

I agree. I don't think the people of the US has much to worry about as far as a homeland strike (unless China is secretly in on it). However, I think it is possible that Korea might be heading for war. Any nation that has nuclear weapons should be taken seriously. Never forget, the reason we learn history is for the hope that we don't repeat it. Hitler wrote about what he was going to do before he did it & no one paid any attention to it until he was already a big problem.

[Tiami]

Neutral. I'm concerned, yet I can't tell if I take it seriously or not.

[New Sapienta]

I would like to think I take threats of invasion in SK where US military bases are as "serious".

[Curiosityness]

nope

[Frisivisia]

I would like to think I take threats of invasion in SK where US military bases are as "serious".

I wouldn't like to think I take anything North Korea does or says seriously. I would be more threatened by a child on a homemade raft telling me he's a pirate, because I would at least know he has some raft-making skills.

[New Sapienta]

I would like to think I take threats of invasion in SK where US military bases are as "serious".

I wouldn't like to think I take anything North Korea does or says seriously. I would be more threatened by a child on a homemade raft telling me he's a pirate, because I would at least know he has some raft-making skills.

And I would like to think that a possible event that could take hundreds of thousands of lives should be taken seriously.

[Firiminaz]

ok you guys are somewhat right. We will rape there missiles and airforce and navy, however the ground forces are the main problem just bombing them wont do much good. they will die for kim jung un and they have the numbers on there side. just stay cautious and you superstitious people red dawn and olympus has fallen are both factually incorrect so dont worry but worry at the same time

[German Shepherds]

ok you guys are somewhat right. We will rape there missiles and airforce and navy, however the ground forces are the main problem just bombing them wont do much good. they will die for kim jung un and they have the numbers on there side. just stay cautious and you superstitious people red dawn and olympus has fallen are both factually incorrect so dont worry but worry at the same time

The Air Force can take out all forces of military, Naval or Ground, plus you don't think the US has good ground forces?

[Serrland]

I'm not sure how you could do otherwise.

A madman waving a loaded gun in a crowded room is no less dangerous the fifth time than he was the first.

The risk to a tremendous number of people is too great to continue to whistle past the graveyard.

[Frisivisia]

I wouldn't like to think I take anything North Korea does or says seriously. I would be more threatened by a child on a homemade raft telling me he's a pirate, because I would at least know he has some raft-making skills.

And I would like to think that a possible event that could take hundreds of thousands of lives should be taken seriously.

I would too. However, the fact that it's North Korea supersedes it, and makes it not seriously take-able.

[Frisivisia]

I'm not sure how you could do otherwise.

A madman waving a loaded gun in a crowded gun is no less dangerous the fifth time than he was the first.

The risk to a tremendous number of people is too great to continue to whistle past the graveyard.

How crowded can a gun be?

[Serrland]

I'm not sure how you could do otherwise.

A madman waving a loaded gun in a crowded gun is no less dangerous the fifth time than he was the first.

The risk to a tremendous number of people is too great to continue to whistle past the graveyard.

How crowded can a gun be?

Brb, going to sit in the corner.

[Zweite Alaje]

No, I never take anything NK says seriously.

[Reichsland]

If the missiles were to launch they would take 3 days to get to their targets in the US. The Air Force would have them destroyed in 5 minutes.
And statistics show the US Air Force can take out the entire NK Air Force in 100 Hours only with the forces in South Korea

They could send the missiles by Federal Express, it'll be faster.

Dont send that shit by Ground, I dont want to have to handle it. Then again I could just put a quick address change on them and send them right back to sender.