The North Korea Juche Songun Anti-Imperialist Megathread

[Imperial--japan]

This is just stupid. Why do we even care?

For the same reason adults care about a violent, smart-ass ten year old.

It might break something?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

For the same reason adults care about a violent, smart-ass ten year old.

It might break something?

Yeah. And then the adults have to pay for it.

This analogy is working well.

[Arumdaum]

This is just stupid. Why do we even care?

Well, threats from North Korea certainly do capture the attentions of the common people who have no depth of understanding of what's actually going on, but just see the face value of things. Talks of war also hurt the South Korean economy and stock market, which hurts the approval rating of the South Korean government, and thus the chance of the ruling party's chance of win future elections as well.

[Volnotova]

1% might not be "vital", but I would consider it important.

The reason why I am somewhat worried now is because here we are dealing with son, not father.

I think some people underestimate how insane and unpredictable some people can be.

I don't think he would survive the loss of face If he doesn't follow up on his threats. How long has it been since he took power? 17 months.

He and his cronies (and I would argue that it is up to debate whether he is really in control and he is not in fact nothing more than a puppet) are even defying their last "Ally", China.

They might prefer WWIII to simply seeing NK implode. It isn't like regimes haven't pulled off similar things in history before.

But nothing indicates that North Korea is on the verge of implosion. That scenario doesn't add up.

I am still not convinced.

Un is appearing increasingly delusional, it is not rare for out-of-touch-with-reality leaders starting to believe in their own delusions.

I just hope he is not one of those.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

But nothing indicates that North Korea is on the verge of implosion. That scenario doesn't add up.

I am still not convinced.

Un is appearing increasingly delusional, it is not rare for out-of-touch-with-reality leaders starting to believe in their own delusions.

I just hope he is not one of those.

There's a calculating logic behind this blustering. I wouldn't reduce it down to delusions or insanity. It's a neat and simple explanation, yeah, but it's not the one with the most weight of evidence behind it.

[United States of Raptors]

North Korea says it has entered a "state of war" with South Korea and will deal with "all matters" accordingly.


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Opinions? Comments? Do you think this is serious, or is this another one of the countless threats directed at the South and the U.S. Will this lead up to actual war? Or will this be forgotten?

Technically the war between the two nations didn't even end with the armistice and despite the armistice both nations have been involved in many skirmishes after the armistice was signed.

[Arumdaum]

North Korea says it has entered a "state of war" with South Korea and will deal with "all matters" accordingly.


http://news.sky.com/story/1071635/north ... with-south

Opinions? Comments? Do you think this is serious, or is this another one of the countless threats directed at the South and the U.S. Will this lead up to actual war? Or will this be forgotten?

Technically the war between the two nations didn't even end with the armistice and despite the armistice both nations have been involved in many skirmishes after the armistice was signed.

South Korea didn't even sign the armistice in the first place.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I am still not convinced.

Un is appearing increasingly delusional, it is not rare for out-of-touch-with-reality leaders starting to believe in their own delusions.

I just hope he is not one of those.

There's a calculating logic behind this blustering. I wouldn't reduce it down to delusions or insanity. It's a neat and simple explanation, yeah, but it's not the one with the most weight of evidence behind it.

Kim Jong Un's deepest political thoughts.

[United States of Raptors]

Well, I think Japan would be smart enough to try to shoot down this nuke over the Pacific, or something.

They'd probably send Mecha-Godzilla to destroy it.

Where is Godzilla when you need him?

He would surely love to chow down on fatty mc fatso who thinks North Korea can actually take on the world and win.

[Hallistar]

North Korea has officially remained in a state of war with the South since the Korean war, since a peace treaty was never signed. I get the feeling they're saying they're now at war because people think that they officially stopped being at war, and will therefore think the North is actually starting some new campaign.

[The God-Realm]

What ever it takes so people can be safe in our country

Might as well lock up everyone in prison.

They do that.

[Swimmiteria]

North Korea has officially remained in a state of war with the South since the Korean war, since a peace treaty was never signed. I get the feeling they're saying they're now at war because people think that they officially stopped being at war, and will therefore think the North is actually starting some new campaign.

I think the question here is are they crazy enough to do it? In my humble opinion, yeah... They're crazy enough to start a new campaign. They've technically been at war since the 50s, but the rhetoric coming from them has been more and more extreme. I don't think military action from either side is far away.

[Terraius]

You cannot force freedom onto people. Look at Vietnam and the current situation in the Middle East.

You overthrow one dictator, they replace them with another. Some people are just intellectually inferior

Hoo, shit. I hope that came out wrong.
North Korea has even more of an excuse than most - they have literally no experience with anything but tyranny. That's not intellectual inferiority, that's just not knowing you had other options because anyone that did know...didn't last long.

Some people are just intellectually inferior

They've always lived under tyranny, like every nation did until they got to democracies.

I apologize for not clarifying and wording that rather vaguely.

Yes, in the case of North Koreans, I agree whole-heartily that they do have an excuse. MAYBE the first generation of the DPRK back in the forties and fifties, but even then, the DPRK was not in near a shape as it is now. The DPRK did not digress into full on totalitarian despotism until the 60's-70's, and by then the next generation of Koreans were already born and didn't know otherwise.

So yes, the North Koreans are not at fault. I was speaking more in broader terms in regards too, say, Egypt or Afghanistan, or even Iraq or Iran in some instances in the past decades, where the only thing the population did with freedom and democracy was vote their selves back into despotism. In these cases I stand firm that a legitimate lack of intelligence and overall stone-age mentality prevents people in these parts of the world of wanting to live in a free society that doesn't persecute and murder either a portion or wholity of the populace, amongst other things.

This comment I made as a retort to 'people need liberation from their-selves' in agreement, as in these cases the people are self-oppressed.

The North Koreans are just in a shitty position under the steel toe of a brutal dictatorship. I'm sure if even a small portion of the DPRK knew what life was like outside the DPRK (and not what they are told) they would rebel instantaneously.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Hoo, shit. I hope that came out wrong.
North Korea has even more of an excuse than most - they have literally no experience with anything but tyranny. That's not intellectual inferiority, that's just not knowing you had other options because anyone that did know...didn't last long.

They've always lived under tyranny, like every nation did until they got to democracies.

I apologize for not clarifying and wording that rather vaguely.

You didn't word anything vaguely.

Yes, in the case of North Koreans, I agree whole-heartily that they do have an excuse. MAYBE the first generation of the DPRK back in the forties and fifties, but even then, the DPRK was not in near a shape as it is now.

Yeah, they'd have had a great experience with democracy, what with the Soviets, the Japanese oppression of the entire peninsula, and a homegrown monarchy before that.

The DPRK did not digress into full on totalitarian despotism until the 60's-70's, and by then the next generation of Koreans were already born and didn't know otherwise.

Not sure about that. 1950s Korea was pretty damn despotic.

So yes, the North Koreans are not at fault. I was speaking more in broader terms in regards too, say, Egypt or Afghanistan, or even Iraq or Iran in some instances in the past decades, where the only thing the population did with freedom and democracy was vote their selves back into despotism.

That's a wild oversimplification of what happened in almost all of those countries.
Morsi and the MB can try dictatorial shit, but the people aren't going to take it at this point - the massive demonstrations over his suspensions of the judiciary prove that. They won't be content with Morsi's oppression any more than Mubarak's.
Afghanistan? Nobody voted the Taliban in. And the current government can only do so much with the Taliban and al-Qaeda still running chunks of the country.
Iraq? Their current government is doing the best they can in a horrifically shitty situation. Nobody voted Saddam in, so you can't be referring to that.
And Iran? Yeah, there was a genuinely democratic movement that promptly got hijacked and usurped by the fundamentalists because they had planned for the revolution the longest and best, and were the most willing to kill for it. They've since shown how their current government would be out of office had they actual democracy - see the 2009 protests.

In these cases I stand firm that a legitimate lack of intelligence

So people in Egypt are just dumber than people in Canada, say?
Is this because of skull structure? Barbarian, non-Christian cultures? Flawed genetics?
What racist justification will you choose?
Complete horseshit.

and overall stone-age mentality prevents people in these parts of the world of wanting to live in a free society that doesn't persecute and murder either a portion or wholity of the populace, amongst other things.

Wholity is not a word.
And again, you make the fundamental mistake of assuming these governments were voted in. None of them were, except maybe Morsi, and time will tell more with him.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

The North Koreans are just in a shitty position under the steel toe of a brutal dictatorship. I'm sure if even a small portion of the DPRK knew what life was like outside the DPRK (and not what they are told) they would rebel instantaneously.

If you are an American, you are familiar with the narrative of a high school graduate itching to move away from a rural town to a city, or to college, to experience new things, to better their status, to escape monotony, etc.

Do they rebel (besides going through puberty) and overthrow the town government because they can't move away? No. They just get on with their lives. The ones that can move away do, and the ones that can't, do with what they can to make their lives work.

It's the same in North Korea. Speaking to refugees, it is clear that rather a sizeable portion of the DPRK does have some idea of what life outside could be like. Some will try their luck in China, some won't. Whatever the case may be, there is not so much pent up desire to rebel per se. An individual just has too much to lose in even attempting it.

[Arkinesia]

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U.S officials reaction to this.

It is and I'm fucking sick of the Obama administration's “look tough, act tough” attitude on Bush's “Axis of Evil” survivors.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

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U.S officials reaction to this.

It is and I'm fucking sick of the Obama administration's “look tough, act tough” attitude on Bush's “Axis of Evil” survivors.

...As opposed to what?

[West German Empire]

The DPRK is all talk. If they were going to do something they would have done it by now. Part of me wants to see them try something merely so i can see the United States, South Korea and Japan slap them down hard. But the other part of me also realizes the massive economic and international implications war would have.

[Norstal]

It is and I'm fucking sick of the Obama administration's “look tough, act tough” attitude on Bush's “Axis of Evil” survivors.

...As opposed to what?

The look weak and act weak attitude. Duh.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

...As opposed to what?

The look weak and act weak attitude. Duh.

Jesus, I guess.

[Norstal]

The look weak and act weak attitude. Duh.

Jesus, I guess.

I really don't get it either. I think the poster wants to replace all our guns with water pistols and load our bombers with confetti.

[Screensaver]

Doesn't the Pyongyang government know that the Korean War never officially ended?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Jesus, I guess.

I really don't get it either. I think the poster wants to replace all our guns with water pistols and load our bombers with confetti.

I think he's just mad Bush is getting a bad rep.

[The Horror Channel]

North Korea is acting up?


We'd better invade Iraq again!!!

[Terraius]

So people in Egypt are just dumber than people in Canada, say?
Is this because of skull structure? Barbarian, non-Christian cultures? Flawed genetics?
What racist justification will you choose?
Complete horseshit.

Falling back on a eugenics strawman only shows your own predispositions. The ignorance of people is influenced by their environment, not their genetics. A white person is just as capable of digressing to a state of ignorance as a black, brown, or any insert color here person.

So to clarify, the racial comment was completely and totally of your origin, and not from my own mouth.

Also, I apologize that I mistyped whole. Since you've decided to stoop down to the 'I'm on the internet scouring your posts for grammatical/spelling/etc errors to make me look smart' level I find it in my best interests to not bother replying to the rest of your post.