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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:13 am

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I mentioned proper reasoning..... :?:

Also, what have you to say on my argument?

Proper reasoning only goes far. If you can back it by variable, legit sources, then your reasoning can be accepted.
As to answer your question... I already voiced my argument to yours.


So, it seems you can't refute the fact South Korea's growth in economy, as a result of Korean reunification, is going to dramatically increase. I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure what you're talking about, in terms of "voic[ing] your argument"...
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:15 am

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Postby Alimprad » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:16 am

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Alimprad wrote:if you hadnt noticed, im anti UN, so I think they should just go die somewhere, and USA, well Im anti them to, but they could just hurry up and FLATTEN NORTH KOREA ALREADY!, but the world is run by liberals so wev got a long wait :(

That's an idiotic idea. Why the hell should we flatten NK? You want America to be the next Nazi Germany or something?

I guess that would be an added bonus, though it wouldnt to change much, it invaded paketan to spread democracy, Im pretty sure invading places to force your beliefs on them is pretty facist.
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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:16 am

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Tiami wrote:Proper reasoning only goes far. If you can back it by variable, legit sources, then your reasoning can be accepted.
As to answer your question... I already voiced my argument to yours.


So, it seems you can't refute the fact South Korea's growth in economy, as a result of Korean reunification, is going to dramatically increase. I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure what you're talking about, in terms of "voic[ing] your argument"...

Do you really think reunification will result in a dramatic increase in economic growth?.. Perhaps for the northern part, but definitely not for the south. People from the north would be flocking down south for better living conditions, wages would drop dramatically, and companies would exploit and take advantage of cheap (formerly North Korean) labor, leaving former South Koreans unemployed. Welfare, South Korea's universal healthcare, and other programs would have to be dramatically altered as to better fit the entire country, as the GDP per capita of Korea would drop dramatically from South Korea levels.
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Postby Tiami » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:16 am

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Tiami wrote:Proper reasoning only goes far. If you can back it by variable, legit sources, then your reasoning can be accepted.
As to answer your question... I already voiced my argument to yours.


So, it seems you can't refute the fact South Korea's growth in economy, as a result of Korean reunification, is going to dramatically increase. I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure what you're talking about, in terms of "voic[ing] your argument"...

No, I am aware of South Korean economical growth, but China's growth still outclasses SK's. Even with a reunified Korea, China would still maintain a sizable growth advantage.
As for the second part of your post, I was pointing out that I responded to my argument.
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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:17 am

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So, it seems you can't refute the fact South Korea's growth in economy, as a result of Korean reunification, is going to dramatically increase. I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure what you're talking about, in terms of "voic[ing] your argument"...

No, I am aware of South Korean economical growth, but China's growth still outclasses SK's. Even with a reunified Korea, China would still maintain a sizable growth advantage.
As for the second part of your post, I was pointing out that I responded to my argument.

Not to mention China's much, much larger population advantage.
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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:17 am

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Arumdaum wrote:That's an idiotic idea. Why the hell should we flatten NK? You want America to be the next Nazi Germany or something?

I guess that would be an added bonus, though it wouldnt to change much, it invaded paketan to spread democracy, Im pretty sure invading places to force your beliefs on them is pretty facist.

So you want us to be recognized for genocide? :eyebrow:

We invaded Paketan to spread democracy? Where's Paketan? And no, that's not fascism. Go look it up.
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:19 am

Vietnam wrote:
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So, it seems you can't refute the fact South Korea's growth in economy, as a result of Korean reunification, is going to dramatically increase. I'll leave it at that. I'm not sure what you're talking about, in terms of "voic[ing] your argument"...

Do you really think reunification will result in a dramatic increase in economic growth?.. Perhaps for the northern part, but definitely not for the south. People from the north would be flocking down south for better living conditions, wages would drop dramatically, and companies would exploit and take advantage of cheap (formerly North Korean) labor, leaving former South Koreans unemployed. Welfare, South Korea's universal healthcare, and other programs would have to be dramatically altered as to better fit the entire country, as the GDP per capita of Korea would drop dramatically from South Korea levels.


Reasonable, but why is China not allowing this to happen? If they truly value human rights, they should be aiding the reunification of Korea.
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Postby Ironrite » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:21 am

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Divair wrote:Did you miss the part where the USA is an ally of SK and both SK and NK are in the UN?

if you hadnt noticed, im anti UN, so I think they should just go die somewhere, and USA, well Im anti them to, but they could just hurry up and FLATTEN NORTH KOREA ALREADY!, but the world is run by liberals so wev got a long wait :(


:rofl: so we now have to nuke every country that threatens us (as an American)? We don't have enough nukes to do that. :rofl:
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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:21 am

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Vietnam wrote:Do you really think reunification will result in a dramatic increase in economic growth?.. Perhaps for the northern part, but definitely not for the south. People from the north would be flocking down south for better living conditions, wages would drop dramatically, and companies would exploit and take advantage of cheap (formerly North Korean) labor, leaving former South Koreans unemployed. Welfare, South Korea's universal healthcare, and other programs would have to be dramatically altered as to better fit the entire country, as the GDP per capita of Korea would drop dramatically from South Korea levels.


Reasonable, but why is China not allowing this to happen? If they truly value human rights, they should be aiding the reunification of Korea.

Dude you aren't even trying to any of my arguments .__.

Only reasonable?

But either, North Korea currently acts as a buffer for China, and China currently receives bargain deals from North Korea to exploit its natural resources. China does not want the North Korean regime to collapse, as such a thing would cause mass instability in Northeast Asia. Not to mention, many Koreans themselves don't even want reunification.
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Postby Tiami » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:21 am

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Alimprad wrote:I guess that would be an added bonus, though it wouldnt to change much, it invaded paketan to spread democracy, Im pretty sure invading places to force your beliefs on them is pretty facist.

So you want us to be recognized for genocide? :eyebrow:

We invaded Paketan to spread democracy? Where's Paketan? And no, that's not fascism. Go look it up.

The US never invaded Pakistan.
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Postby Tiami » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:22 am

Ironrite wrote:
Alimprad wrote:if you hadnt noticed, im anti UN, so I think they should just go die somewhere, and USA, well Im anti them to, but they could just hurry up and FLATTEN NORTH KOREA ALREADY!, but the world is run by liberals so wev got a long wait :(


:rofl: so we now have to nuke every country that threatens us (as an American)? We don't have enough nukes to do that. :rofl:

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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:22 am

Ironrite wrote:
Alimprad wrote:if you hadnt noticed, im anti UN, so I think they should just go die somewhere, and USA, well Im anti them to, but they could just hurry up and FLATTEN NORTH KOREA ALREADY!, but the world is run by liberals so wev got a long wait :(


:rofl: so we now have to nuke every country that threatens us (as an American)? We don't have enough nukes to do that. :rofl:

Actually, we do, I think. >.> <.<
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:23 am

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Reasonable, but why is China not allowing this to happen? If they truly value human rights, they should be aiding the reunification of Korea.

Dude you aren't even trying to any of my arguments .__.

Only reasonable?

But either, North Korea currently acts as a buffer for China, and China currently receives bargain deals from North Korea to exploit its natural resources. China does not want the North Korean regime to collapse, as such a thing would cause mass instability in Northeast Asia. Not to mention, many Koreans themselves don't even want reunification.


How do you know many Koreans don't want reunification? Families, I mean, generations of families have been split in Korea. Plus, what gives China the right to exploit North Korean resources? If their economy is growing at a thriving level, they should learn to restrain themselves and make profit for their nation in a fair and ethical manner. Well, ethical, heh.... no minimum wage for your country's laborers and torturing buddhist monks of your western neighbouring nations. :roll:
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Postby Ironrite » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:26 am

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:rofl: so we now have to nuke every country that threatens us (as an American)? We don't have enough nukes to do that. :rofl:

Actually, we have plenty of nukes.


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Postby Ironrite » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:26 am

Vietnam wrote:
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:rofl: so we now have to nuke every country that threatens us (as an American)? We don't have enough nukes to do that. :rofl:

Actually, we do, I think. >.> <.<


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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:27 am

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Vietnam wrote:Dude you aren't even trying to any of my arguments .__.

Only reasonable?

But either, North Korea currently acts as a buffer for China, and China currently receives bargain deals from North Korea to exploit its natural resources. China does not want the North Korean regime to collapse, as such a thing would cause mass instability in Northeast Asia. Not to mention, many Koreans themselves don't even want reunification.


How do you know many Koreans don't want reunification? Families, I mean, generations of families have been split in Korea. Plus, what gives China the right to exploit North Korean resources? If their economy is growing at a thriving level, they should learn to restrain themselves and make profit for their nation in a fair and ethical manner. Well, ethical, heh.... no minimum wage for your country's laborers and torturing buddhist monks of your western neighbouring nations. :roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_reu ... ent_status

When did I say China had the right to exploit North Korea's resources? :roll: You really think people will generally try to refrain from obtaining huge amounts of wealth? Money is also something that the North Korean regime needs to stay alive. Also, when did I ever claim that China was being ethical over everything they do? All you're doing is attacking strawmen.
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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:28 am

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Vietnam wrote:Actually, we do, I think. >.> <.<


For every country that hates us? No wayyy

Pretty sure we still have enough nukes to nuke the world a few times over.
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:28 am

Ironrite wrote:
Vietnam wrote:Actually, we do, I think. >.> <.<


For every country that hates us? No wayyy


Way too costly and risky. Risk of retaliation from other nations is quite high.
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Postby Tiami » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:29 am

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Tiami wrote:Actually, we have plenty of nukes.


For wvery country that hates us?

Not enough my son, not enough...

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:30 am

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Vietnam wrote:Actually, we do, I think. >.> <.<


For every country that hates us? No wayyy

The United States alone has enough nukes to theoretically destroy any life on Earth.
Several times over.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:31 am

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For every country that hates us? No wayyy

The United States alone has enough nukes to theoretically destroy any life on Earth.
Several times over.

No. We don't. "Nuclear winter" is pseudo-scientific bunkum.
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:31 am

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
Ironrite wrote:
For every country that hates us? No wayyy

The United States alone has enough nukes to theoretically destroy any life on Earth.
Several times over.


But why would they exactly do that?
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Postby Vietnam » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:32 am

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The Tiger Kingdom wrote:The United States alone has enough nukes to theoretically destroy any life on Earth.
Several times over.


But why would they exactly do that?

Can do something =/= going to do something
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Postby Fruition (Ancient) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:33 am

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But why would they exactly do that?

Can do something =/= going to do something


So, what's the point if they can do it but won't? What's the point of constructing thousands if you can't use even one? Deterrence is a powerful concept in this case.
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