The North Korea Juche Songun Anti-Imperialist Megathread

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Oh good god I just realized a POSSIBLE apocalyptic nightmare scenario which would ultimately play out only if...

North korea does NOT start a war.

It's detailed here: (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/13/opinion/g ... index.html) but basically if they don't start a war, then basically every tin-pot totalitarian banana republic on the face of the planet will realize that no matter how tiny or bad your country is, if you have nuclear capabilities, countries that could topple your regime with a tiny fraction of their power suddenly become afraid of making you angry.

Can you imagine the apocalyptic nightmare scenario that would unfold if EVERY heck-hole country on the planet got a nuclear arsenal after getting the inspiration from these recent events and started issuing demand after demand from the more pacifist nations and threat after threat of nuclear war?!

Can you imagine how screwed up international diplomacy would be if, say, 15 third-world countries in africa with nuclear weapons threatened to launch their weapons if we didn't do EXACTLY as they said?!

Can you imagine if some of those countries got their hands on nuclear weapons and were crazy and suicidal enough to launch them if their demands are either ignored or answered to anyways?!

It may not happen in any of our lifetimes, but it COULD happen eventually, and when it would happen, civilization as we know it would crumble.

THAT is why we need to steam-roll the korean peninsula north of the 38th parallel. This turn of events could indirectly cause World War III if we do not completely vaporize the Kim Jong regime before any other dictatorships start getting any funny ideas.

That opinion article is laughable bullshit. Most opinion articles are. Don't ever take them seriously - their main point is to get views without any actual factual support behind them. Scare stories are their favorite method, and that article (which I read this morning) is nothing new.

The fact of the matter is, we haven't been letting NK stay because we're afraid of them - they've stayed as long as they have because the SU and the Chinese have been covering for them. And now that the Chinese aren't covering for them - and the sanctions against NK are higher than they've been at least in recent history - they can't sustain this very long. They'll either simmer down or suffer more. Or they'll attack, which'll end in their defeat.

You've fallen for the scaremongering, hook, line, and sinker.

[Vietnam]

Oh good god I just realized a POSSIBLE apocalyptic nightmare scenario which would ultimately play out only if...

North korea does NOT start a war.

It's detailed here: (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/13/opinion/g ... index.html) but basically if they don't start a war, then basically every tin-pot totalitarian banana republic on the face of the planet will realize that no matter how tiny or bad your country is, if you have nuclear capabilities, countries that could topple your regime with a tiny fraction of their power suddenly become afraid of making you angry.

Can you imagine the apocalyptic nightmare scenario that would unfold if EVERY heck-hole country on the planet got a nuclear arsenal after getting the inspiration from these recent events and started issuing demand after demand from the more pacifist nations and threat after threat of nuclear war?!

Can you imagine how screwed up international diplomacy would be if, say, 15 third-world countries in africa with nuclear weapons threatened to launch their weapons if we didn't do EXACTLY as they said?!

Can you imagine if some of those countries got their hands on nuclear weapons and were crazy and suicidal enough to launch them if their demands are either ignored or answered to anyways?!

It may not happen in any of our lifetimes, but it COULD happen eventually, and when it would happen, civilization as we know it would crumble.

THAT is why we need to steam-roll the korean peninsula north of the 38th parallel. This turn of events could indirectly cause World War III if we do not completely vaporize the Kim Jong regime before any other dictatorships start getting any funny ideas.

Haha, I find that opinion piece quite silly.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

How Mao described China and North Korea's relationship is unintentionally on point. Chun Wang Chi Han, meaning "if the lips are gone, the teeth will be cold" (which was recorded as a conciliatory message between the states of Jin and Yu, incidentally) indicates that without one, the other will be in trouble, but the phrase Chun Chi Xiang Yi is more commonly used by Chinese diplomats, meaning that North Korea and China are as "close as lips and teeth", a much warmer and friendlier phrase. Both have been referred to often, but the former phrase denotes a relationship of convenience and mutual benefit, and that's what it was since the anti-Japanese movement, with Kim Il-sung aligning himself with the CCP in order to oppose their common enemy; the Japanese in Manchuria. There may have been a sense of comradery at high points in their relationship, but it's always been punctuated by distrust and suspicion of the other's intentions, which has only been exacerbated by the collapse of the Eastern Bloc and China's economic and diplomatic reforms.

i'm still waiting for that confucian influence on north korea joseon ;_;

I will write it. I promise! D:

[Casinoria]

One thing I realised with the mention of Saddam is that his execution on UK tv was using a crane was in open air and that with a little research was in some form of building? I wonder if anybody else in other countries saw this? TG me if you did.

@ Vietnam: Do you have a more recent source?

[Vietnam]

One thing I realised with the mention of Saddam is that his execution on UK tv was using a crane was in open air and that with a little research was in some form of building? I wonder if anybody else in other countries saw this? TG me if you did.

@ Vietnam: Do you have a more recent source?

I don't have anything more modern, but I have read that North Korea has been hating having to be dependent upon China from other sources as well.

[Casinoria]

One thing I realised with the mention of Saddam is that his execution on UK tv was using a crane was in open air and that with a little research was in some form of building? I wonder if anybody else in other countries saw this? TG me if you did.

@ Vietnam: Do you have a more recent source?

I don't have anything more modern, but I have read that North Korea has been hating having to be dependent upon China from other sources as well.

To be fair depending upon anybody for anything is usually a PITA.

[Vietnam]

I don't have anything more modern, but I have read that North Korea has been hating having to be dependent upon China from other sources as well.

To be fair depending upon anybody for anything is usually a PITA.

Yeah, haha.

[Altito Asmoro]

Oh good god I just realized a POSSIBLE apocalyptic nightmare scenario which would ultimately play out only if...

North korea does NOT start a war.

It's detailed here: (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/13/opinion/g ... index.html) but basically if they don't start a war, then basically every tin-pot totalitarian banana republic on the face of the planet will realize that no matter how tiny or bad your country is, if you have nuclear capabilities, countries that could topple your regime with a tiny fraction of their power suddenly become afraid of making you angry.

Can you imagine the apocalyptic nightmare scenario that would unfold if EVERY heck-hole country on the planet got a nuclear arsenal after getting the inspiration from these recent events and started issuing demand after demand from the more pacifist nations and threat after threat of nuclear war?!

Can you imagine how screwed up international diplomacy would be if, say, 15 third-world countries in africa with nuclear weapons threatened to launch their weapons if we didn't do EXACTLY as they said?!

Can you imagine if some of those countries got their hands on nuclear weapons and were crazy and suicidal enough to launch them if their demands are either ignored or answered to anyways?!

It may not happen in any of our lifetimes, but it COULD happen eventually, and when it would happen, civilization as we know it would crumble.

THAT is why we need to steam-roll the korean peninsula north of the 38th parallel. This turn of events could indirectly cause World War III if we do not completely vaporize the Kim Jong regime before any other dictatorships start getting any funny ideas.

That opinion article is laughable bullshit. Most opinion articles are. Don't ever take them seriously - their main point is to get views without any actual factual support behind them. Scare stories are their favorite method, and that article (which I read this morning) is nothing new.

The fact of the matter is, we haven't been letting NK stay because we're afraid of them - they've stayed as long as they have because the SU and the Chinese have been covering for them. And now that the Chinese aren't covering for them - and the sanctions against NK are higher than they've been at least in recent history - they can't sustain this very long. They'll either simmer down or suffer more. Or they'll attack, which'll end in their defeat.

You've fallen for the scaremongering, hook, line, and sinker.

Jong un is trying to appease the old generals

[Grand Britannia]

Oh good god I just realized a POSSIBLE apocalyptic nightmare scenario which would ultimately play out only if...

North korea does NOT start a war.

It's detailed here: (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/13/opinion/g ... index.html) but basically if they don't start a war, then basically every tin-pot totalitarian banana republic on the face of the planet will realize that no matter how tiny or bad your country is, if you have nuclear capabilities, countries that could topple your regime with a tiny fraction of their power suddenly become afraid of making you angry.

Can you imagine the apocalyptic nightmare scenario that would unfold if EVERY heck-hole country on the planet got a nuclear arsenal after getting the inspiration from these recent events and started issuing demand after demand from the more pacifist nations and threat after threat of nuclear war?!

Can you imagine how screwed up international diplomacy would be if, say, 15 third-world countries in africa with nuclear weapons threatened to launch their weapons if we didn't do EXACTLY as they said?!

Can you imagine if some of those countries got their hands on nuclear weapons and were crazy and suicidal enough to launch them if their demands are either ignored or answered to anyways?!

It may not happen in any of our lifetimes, but it COULD happen eventually, and when it would happen, civilization as we know it would crumble.

THAT is why we need to steam-roll the korean peninsula north of the 38th parallel. This turn of events could indirectly cause World War III if we do not completely vaporize the Kim Jong regime before any other dictatorships start getting any funny ideas.

>Opinions

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Oh good god I just realized a POSSIBLE apocalyptic nightmare scenario which would ultimately play out only if...

North korea does NOT start a war.

It's detailed here: (http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/13/opinion/g ... index.html) but basically if they don't start a war, then basically every tin-pot totalitarian banana republic on the face of the planet will realize that no matter how tiny or bad your country is, if you have nuclear capabilities, countries that could topple your regime with a tiny fraction of their power suddenly become afraid of making you angry.

Can you imagine the apocalyptic nightmare scenario that would unfold if EVERY heck-hole country on the planet got a nuclear arsenal after getting the inspiration from these recent events and started issuing demand after demand from the more pacifist nations and threat after threat of nuclear war?!

Can you imagine how screwed up international diplomacy would be if, say, 15 third-world countries in africa with nuclear weapons threatened to launch their weapons if we didn't do EXACTLY as they said?!

Can you imagine if some of those countries got their hands on nuclear weapons and were crazy and suicidal enough to launch them if their demands are either ignored or answered to anyways?!

It may not happen in any of our lifetimes, but it COULD happen eventually, and when it would happen, civilization as we know it would crumble.

THAT is why we need to steam-roll the korean peninsula north of the 38th parallel. This turn of events could indirectly cause World War III if we do not completely vaporize the Kim Jong regime before any other dictatorships start getting any funny ideas.

>Opinions

Costs from U.S. military is astronomical.
Next war would be between Korea and China in terms of economy, since Korea got bigger.

[Vietnam]

Next war would be between Korea and China in terms of economy, since Korea got bigger.

wut

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Next war would be between Korea and China in terms of economy, since Korea got bigger.

wut

Invading North Korea gives South Korea an entire peninsula, and Northern part of Korea has tons of natural resources SK can use to strengthen its economy. 13th largest? Well, with a few more resources, it can probably go as far as top 5.

[Vietnam]

wut

Invading North Korea gives South Korea an entire peninsula, and Northern part of Korea has tons of natural resources SK can use to strengthen its economy. 13th largest? Well, with a few more resources, it can probably go as far as top 5.

Korea won't be getting anywhere near China.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Invading North Korea gives South Korea an entire peninsula, and Northern part of Korea has tons of natural resources SK can use to strengthen its economy. 13th largest? Well, with a few more resources, it can probably go as far as top 5.

Korea won't be getting anywhere near China.

Top 5 is pretty close and China breaks almost every human rights rule to achieve their economic power, so yeah advantage is advantage.

[Vietnam]

Korea won't be getting anywhere near China.

Top 5 is pretty close and China breaks almost every human rights rule to achieve their economic power, so yeah advantage is advantage.

France is #5, but nowhere near the US. :v

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Top 5 is pretty close and China breaks almost every human rights rule to achieve their economic power, so yeah advantage is advantage.

France is #5, but nowhere near the US. :v

France is #5 and has lots of resources but Korea's 13th and it's pretty small and has no resources.

It gets twice as big and gets lots of resources, then it can boost to become top 5 or better.

[Vietnam]

France is #5, but nowhere near the US. :v

France is #5 and has lots of resources but Korea's 13th and it's pretty small and has no resources.

It gets twice as big and gets lots of resources, then it can boost to become top 5 or better.

That's irrelevant. o__O

I'm saying that the size of Korea's economy won't ever get close to China's.

[Tiami]

>Opinions

Costs from U.S. military is astronomical.
Next war would be between Korea and China in terms of economy, since Korea got bigger.

You have no idea what economics are, do you? China is the second largest economy in terms of PPP and GDP. SK is around 13th. NK is near the bottom of the list.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

France is #5 and has lots of resources but Korea's 13th and it's pretty small and has no resources.

It gets twice as big and gets lots of resources, then it can boost to become top 5 or better.

That's irrelevant. o__O

I'm saying that the size of Korea's economy won't ever get close to China's.

Yet, you don't seem to have any proof backing your statement. I backed my statement; back yours with proper reasoning?

[Tiami]

That's irrelevant. o__O

I'm saying that the size of Korea's economy won't ever get close to China's.

Yet, you don't seem to have any proof backing your statement. I backed my statement; back yours with proper reasoning?

Actually no, you did not back up your statement. If you were to back up your statement, then you would have listed reliable and legit links.

[Fruition (Ancient)]

Yet, you don't seem to have any proof backing your statement. I backed my statement; back yours with proper reasoning?

Actually no, you did not back up your statement. If you were to back up your statement, then you would have listed reliable and legit links.

I mentioned proper reasoning.....

Also, what have you to say on my argument?

[Arumdaum]

That's irrelevant. o__O

I'm saying that the size of Korea's economy won't ever get close to China's.

Yet, you don't seem to have any proof backing your statement. I backed my statement; back yours with proper reasoning?

You stated absolutely nothing which would suggest that Korea would overtake or rival China economically.

First of all, China is 50 times the size of Korea. Second of all, its population is 20x larger. China also possesses a much higher level of economic growth than the Korean peninsula, which means that the gap between the GDPs of Korea and China will only grow larger (in China's favor).

[Alimprad]

America and the UN may not have noticed this yet, but this is a war between North korea and South korea no one else, why should we care, we could hope the side we want to win wins, but america and the UN should keep there noses out of everyone elses bussiness and maybe deal with their own

Did you miss the part where the USA is an ally of SK and both SK and NK are in the UN?

if you hadnt noticed, im anti UN, so I think they should just go die somewhere, and USA, well Im anti them to, but they could just hurry up and FLATTEN NORTH KOREA ALREADY!, but the world is run by liberals so wev got a long wait

[Arumdaum]

Did you miss the part where the USA is an ally of SK and both SK and NK are in the UN?

if you hadnt noticed, im anti UN, so I think they should just go die somewhere, and USA, well Im anti them to, but they could just hurry up and FLATTEN NORTH KOREA ALREADY!, but the world is run by liberals so wev got a long wait

That's an idiotic idea. Why the hell should we flatten NK? You want America to be the next Nazi Germany or something?

[Tiami]

Actually no, you did not back up your statement. If you were to back up your statement, then you would have listed reliable and legit links.

I mentioned proper reasoning.....

Also, what have you to say on my argument?

Proper reasoning only goes far. If you can back it by variable, legit sources, then your reasoning can be accepted.
As to answer your question... I already voiced my argument to yours.