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by Achren » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:25 am

by Heavenly Peace » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:35 pm

by German Shepherds » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:27 pm
Heavenly Peace wrote:Am I the only one who has an incredibly strange desire to visit North Korea as a tourist?

by The Rich Port » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:47 pm

by German Shepherds » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:48 pm
The Rich Port wrote:German Shepherds wrote:I maybe would but as soon as they figured out I was American I'd have to skeedaddle....
I'm pretty sure having tourists murdered in your country is never a good thing.
Plus, knowing North Korea they'll do some stupid propaganda shit about how you died in the country because you were high on marijuana or something and you tried to rape children and that they conducted the investigation themselves and the U.N. didn't need to step in at all, ensuring someone would get pissed off at NK enough to declare war.

by Nui Magna » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:24 pm

by Fruition (Ancient) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:32 pm

by Notbotswana » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:50 pm
Heavenly Peace wrote:Am I the only one who has an incredibly strange desire to visit North Korea as a tourist?

by Fruition (Ancient) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:51 pm
Notbotswana wrote:Heavenly Peace wrote:Am I the only one who has an incredibly strange desire to visit North Korea as a tourist?
I'm with you.
I'm interested in how places are "packaged" by companies and governments and so I find escorted tours with tightly-controlled messages, restricted views, and really strict behavioral rules to be weirdly fascinating. My favorites have been the Coors Brewery in Golden during a labor strike, a coal strip mine in Gillette, Wyoming, and the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest, Romania. I'm hoping to go on the official tar sands tour in Fort McMurray this summer.
The masters in this tourism niche must be North Korea. Closed curtains on the airline flights, gov't determined itineraries and accommodations, constant surveillance, 24/7 minders, camera and conversational restrictions, etc. Where else can you get an extreme experience like this?
As far as the NK threats ... if anything actually happens, the big worry will be how China reacts, not NK.

by The God-Realm » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:55 pm
Fruition wrote:Notbotswana wrote:
I'm with you.
I'm interested in how places are "packaged" by companies and governments and so I find escorted tours with tightly-controlled messages, restricted views, and really strict behavioral rules to be weirdly fascinating. My favorites have been the Coors Brewery in Golden during a labor strike, a coal strip mine in Gillette, Wyoming, and the Palace of Parliament in Bucharest, Romania. I'm hoping to go on the official tar sands tour in Fort McMurray this summer.
The masters in this tourism niche must be North Korea. Closed curtains on the airline flights, gov't determined itineraries and accommodations, constant surveillance, 24/7 minders, camera and conversational restrictions, etc. Where else can you get an extreme experience like this?
As far as the NK threats ... if anything actually happens, the big worry will be how China reacts, not NK.
I'm with you. It'll be a wonder to observe, with your own naked eye, the last Stalinist state on Earth.

by Fruition (Ancient) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:56 pm

by Notbotswana » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:14 pm

by Fruition (Ancient) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:31 pm
Notbotswana wrote:
While "Stalinist" could be thought of as a combination of political traits that characterized the USSR during the mid-20th century, maybe it can be used more generally and efficiently describe to other places in the contemporary world.
It seems like an appropriate way to describe NK (communist, totalitarian, paranoid, militaristic, etc.) with a single adjective.

by Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:05 pm
Free Detroit wrote:Greto wrote:
There's a difference between joint military exercises with another nation and saying "I'm gonna nuke you to oblivion!"
I'm not talking about clearly toothless threats. DPRK is great at those, much better than the US in fact...
I'm talking about actual actions. The DPRK has engaged in hostile military action... oh a couple tiny times against the South (sinking a fishing boat here and there, etc)...
The US has intervened or invaded other countries without provocation how many times? Just sayin'. We don't threaten to bomb the innocent populations of foreign countries that offer no real threat to our national security whatsoever... we just do it.

by The God-Realm » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:07 pm
Notbotswana wrote:
While "Stalinist" could be thought of as a combination of political traits that characterized the USSR during the mid-20th century, maybe it can be used more generally and efficiently describe to other places in the contemporary world.
It seems like an appropriate way to describe NK (communist, totalitarian, paranoid, militaristic, etc.) with a single adjective.

by Getica » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:09 pm

by The Rich Port » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:10 pm
The God-Realm wrote:Notbotswana wrote:
While "Stalinist" could be thought of as a combination of political traits that characterized the USSR during the mid-20th century, maybe it can be used more generally and efficiently describe to other places in the contemporary world.
It seems like an appropriate way to describe NK (communist, totalitarian, paranoid, militaristic, etc.) with a single adjective.
NK is not communist, nor paranoid.

by Daistallia 2104 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:12 pm

by The God-Realm » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:14 pm

by Free Detroit » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:14 pm
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:Free Detroit wrote:
I'm not talking about clearly toothless threats. DPRK is great at those, much better than the US in fact...
I'm talking about actual actions. The DPRK has engaged in hostile military action... oh a couple tiny times against the South (sinking a fishing boat here and there, etc)...
The US has intervened or invaded other countries without provocation how many times? Just sayin'. We don't threaten to bomb the innocent populations of foreign countries that offer no real threat to our national security whatsoever... we just do it.
I wouldn't call North Korea's sinking of a SK corvette and bombing of an island a "small matter".

by Getica » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:15 pm
Daistallia 2104 wrote:Over the last few months, I've been mostly ignoring the situation as just more of the same, but keeping an eye on thye news for mention of the Kaesong zone.
Well, that just hit the news.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22011207
This means things are getting more serious.

by The Rich Port » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:15 pm

by Fruition (Ancient) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:16 pm

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