Gnosticism

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:27 pm

Since there are people who don't understands Gnosticism, I will jot down a few according to my understanding. The Godhead is far away. Godhead emanates existence down to Sophia (Wikipedia: "Sophia can be described as the wisdom of God, and, at times, as a pure virgin spirit which emanates from God. In the Nag Hammadi, Sophia is the lowest Æon, or anthropic expression of the emanation of the light of God.") Sophia tries to create on her own, apart from the godhead, but it turns out abominable, and she's ashamed. It is the demiurge. She hides It in a cloud, and so it does not know of anything higher. It is god of this world. Souls are trapped in lower "gods" (or perhaps "essence")world. I think that a lot of Gnostic myth was of course intended to be exoteric.

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:30 pm

Makes as much sense as any other religion I suppose,

I'm in, where do I sign up?

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:31 pm

Barringtonia wrote:I'm in, where do I sign up?

Maybe you could join an organization if you wanted? I don't know. In some Gnosticism, Jesus is like spawn from godhead, so when says you can find him to be saved, just means you find your soul which is foreign to material world, and so raises you up.

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:34 pm

Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:I'm in, where do I sign up?

Maybe you could join an organization if you wanted? I don't know. In some Gnosticism, Jesus is like spawn from godhead, so when says you have to find him, just means you find your soul which is foreign to material world, and so raises you up.

Ah then no, I can't be doing with organising anything, too much work.

Can I just make enormous donations instead?

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:35 pm

Barringtonia wrote:Can I just make enormous donations instead?

I don't think there is any official Gnosticism organization. They were kind of killed off a lot by the Catholic church. You could probably donate to some organization you found suitable if you wanted.

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:37 pm

Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:Can I just make enormous donations instead?

I don't think there is any official Gnosticism organization. They were kind of killed off a lot by the Catholic church.

I spy an opportunity then..

I announce myself as the First Lord of Gnosticism, send me your money!

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:38 pm

Barringtonia wrote:I announce myself as the First Lord of Gnosticism, send me your money!

I don't think this will work as well under Gnosticism. They kind of don't have the same degree of hierarchy.

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:39 pm

Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:I announce myself as the First Lord of Gnosticism, send me your money!

I don't think this will work as well under Gnosticism. They kind of don't have the same degree of hierarchy.

Oh well, worth a try.

by **EVIL BEYOND COMPARE** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:41 pm

does anyone realy believe in gnostisism

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:41 pm

Barringtonia wrote:Oh well, worth a try.

No, if you want to do that sort of thing it's much easier to use Biblical Christianity and kill off the competition. You might try that instead.

by **Seraph Down** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:42 pm

Svenen wrote:Since there be many pplz who don't understands Gnosticism, I explain it. The Godhead way the fuck up there. Godhead make spawn the way down to Sophia. Sophia want to make shit too, all on her owns, she do it secret. It be abominable. She hide it. It be in cloud, not know of anything higher. It be God of this world. Souls be trapped in lower gods world. Or something like that.

What the hell are you smoking? Sounds powerful, can I have a blow?

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:42 pm

Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:Oh well, worth a try.

No, if you want to do that sort of thing it's much easier to use Biblical Christianity and kill off the competition. You might try that instead.

Very well then.

*googles 'Pope's whereabouts*

by **Saige Dragon** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:43 pm

Do Gnosticists eat Gnocchi? If so, I'm in... at least during dinner time.

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:43 pm

Seraph Down wrote:What the hell are you smoking? Sounds powerful, can I have a blow?

This has a lot of the texts. http://www.gnosis.org/library.html

Saige Dragon wrote:Do Gnosticists eat Gnocchi? If so, I'm in... at least during dinner time.

I don't identify as being a Gnostic, I just know some about it. So I don't know.

by **The Southron Nation** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:44 pm

actually, there are many variations of Gnosticism. each sect teaches unique doctrine and theology. but in general, they all teach a separation between the physical realm where we live and the spiritual realm of God (the true creator), the Demiurge (the jealous and therefore corrupt God of the OT), Sophia (or mother of knowledge), Jesus (redeemer of mankind), and Satan (brother of Christ). each sect also emphasizes that Christ was not a once appearing person. we are each capable of becoming a Christ of sorts. he are to follow in His footsteps to achieve enlightenment.

i have several of the Gnostic gospels and several books by so-called experts on Gnosticism (each of them gnostics).

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:46 pm

So maybe Southron can answer a number of questions better than I can if he wanted.

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:46 pm

The Southron Nation wrote:actually, there are many variations of Gnosticism. each sect teaches unique doctrine and theology. but in general, they all teach a separation between the physical realm where we live and the spiritual realm of God (the true creator), the Demiurge (the jealous and therefore corrupt God of the OT), Sophia (or mother of knowledge), Jesus (redeemer of mankind), and Satan (brother of Christ). each sect also emphasizes that Christ was not a once appearing person.

Oh, The Da Vinci Code stuff.

Yeah, I read that.

Actually I have a book on the Gnostics on my bookshelf, I just haven't been in the mood to read it yet.

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:47 pm

Barringtonia wrote:The Da Vinci Code stuff.

The Da Vinci Code is a novel for entertainment.

by **DaWoad** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:47 pm

Barringtonia wrote:
Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:Oh well, worth a try.

No, if you want to do that sort of thing it's much easier to use Biblical Christianity and kill off the competition. You might try that instead.

Very well then.

*googles 'Pope's whereabouts*

now now barr its not nice to pick on the newbies

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:48 pm

Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:The Da Vinci Code stuff.

The Da Vinci Code is a novel for entertainment.

Could have fooled me.

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:49 pm

Barringtonia wrote:Could have fooled me.

Then you're a fool!

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:51 pm

Svenen wrote:
Barringtonia wrote:Could have fooled me.

Then you're a fool!

Certainly not the first time I've heard that.

by **Svenen (Ancient)** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:53 pm

Barringtonia wrote:Certainly not the first time I've heard that.

This would indicate that you have good hearing. You should consider yourself lucky, what with all the loud music.

by **Barringtonia** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:55 pm

This is the book I have: Pagels, Elaine (1979). The Gnostic Gospels. pp. 182 pages. ISBN 0-679-72453-2.

I found her a little presumptuous in her writing and couldn't get much past the 2nd or 3rd chapter, if anyone knows of a better book I'd be happy to read it, otherwise I'll remain content with Wikipedia.

by **The Southron Nation** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:58 pm

Barringtonia wrote:
The Southron Nation wrote:actually, there are many variations of Gnosticism. each sect teaches unique doctrine and theology. but in general, they all teach a separation between the physical realm where we live and the spiritual realm of God (the true creator), the Demiurge (the jealous and therefore corrupt God of the OT), Sophia (or mother of knowledge), Jesus (redeemer of mankind), and Satan (brother of Christ). each sect also emphasizes that Christ was not a once appearing person.

Oh, The Da Vinci Code stuff.

Yeah, I read that.

Actually I have a book on the Gnostics on my bookshelf, I just haven't been in the mood to read it yet.

never read it. is it good? i couldn't bring myself to pick it up.

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