France vs United Kingdom

by **Ostroeuropa** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:12 pm

Also, the UK would have better morale in this situation. A big part of the national myth is defending the island from the continentals etc.
It's part of the reason for the UK's identity crisis of late. France isn't anywhere near as bound up in aggrandizing defending themselves from the UK.
We could probably expect the UK to fight to the last, everyone spamming eachother with churchhill quotes, smiling happily that they get to be properly British, and signing up for the RAF.
Note that I think this is actually a big problem for Britain in reality, and not in hypothetical war scenarios. The fact that British identity is bound up in war / conquest / defend the island is pretty bad.

by **Kalumba** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:13 pm

Blakullar wrote:
Kalumba wrote:
And what role would an aircraft carrier, the only have one which has spent more time in dry dock than at sea to my knowledge, in a conflict that would be focused on the Channel? Add that to the fact the Charles De Gaulle would never get out of Brest or Toulon as an Astute would easily track and sink it with impunity.

Assuming an Astute could get to the port before it itself were tracked down and destroyed by French warships, or the Charles de Gaulle were launched before the war actually started.

The USN can't track an Astute, I highly doubt the French with an older, smaller and less well equipped Navy would stand a chance at finding one. And still what role would an aircraft carrier play? The area of combat operations would be around the south coast and the Channel, well within range of land based aircraft.

by **Vistulange** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:13 pm

'nuff said.

by **United Dependencies** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:54 pm

Who wins?

Germany and Russia

by **Vindiria** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:56 pm

There will be no such war.

by **United Dependencies** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:02 pm

Vistulange wrote:'nuff said.

Did you know The USA wouldn't exist were it not for the French?

by **Imperial--japan** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:05 pm

I think....the U.K.

by **Imperial--japan** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:06 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
Vistulange wrote:'nuff said.

Did you know The USA wouldn't exist were it not for the French?

Damn French. Destroyed all attempts for us to become the Holy Empire Of Britannia.

by **The Anglosphere** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:09 pm

The USA and the rest of the Commonwealth back the UK and give France a royal ass whopping.

by **Anachronous Rex** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:17 pm

The Anglosphere wrote:The USA and the rest of the Commonwealth back the UK and give France a royal ass whopping.

Only on the condition that it's a republican ass whopping.

by **Disserbia** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:23 pm

Germany.

by **EnragedMaldivians** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:30 pm

They shouldn't go to war with each other. They should both declare war on arm-chair generals who posit ludicrous scenarios.

by **Anachronous Rex** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:31 pm

EnragedMaldivians wrote:They shouldn't go to war with each other. They should both declare war on arm-chair generals who posit ludicrous scenarios.

I am beginning to grow very fond of you.

by **The Rebel Alliances** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:39 pm

OK, using GlobalFirepower.com it places UK as 5th most powerful nation and France as 6th. But it is only a numbers game really. But it is close and I am going with my gut. France. Plus I am a little biased.

Here are some stats.

Active Military Personel
France: 362,485
United Kingdom: 224,500

Active Military Reserves
France: 419,00
United Kingdom: 187,130

Total Aircraft Strength
France: 544
United Kindom: 1,412

Total Helocopter Strength
France: 410
United Kingdom: 367

Total Tank Strength
France: 571
United Kingdom: 227

Total AFV Strength
France: 6,728
United Kingdom: 5,315

Total SPG Strength
France: 251
United Kingdom: 89

Towed Artillery Strength
France: 105
United Kingdom: 138

Total MLRS Strength
France: 41
United Kingdom: 42

Total Morter Strength
France: 1,550
United Kingdom: 2,563

Anti Tank Weapon Strength
France: 14,760
United Kingdom: 4,000

Logistical Vehicle Strength
France: 13,750
United Kingdom: 25,650

Merchant Marine Strength
France: 162
United Kingdom: 504

Total Navy Ship Strength
France: 180
United Kingdom: 77

Aircraft Carrier Strength
France: 1
United Kingdom: 1

Submarine Fleet Strength
France: 10
United Kingdom: 10

Frigate Strength
France: 22
United Kingdom: 13

Corvette Strength
France: 9
United Kingdom: 0

Mine Warfare Craft Strength
France: 11
United Kingdom: 15

Coastal Patrol Craft Strength
France: 43
United Kingdom: 24

Amphibious Assault Craft Strength
France: 4
Uniyted Kingdom: 4

Plus France has French Forign Legion!

UK has quite some advantages in other areas such as some economics and such but I am going with...

FRANCE!!!

by **The Rebel Alliances** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:52 pm

Plus, contrary to what the internet may have tought you. The French have a long history of military triumphs that can be envied by many.

by **Albion Rhodesia** » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:58 pm

I think a very pertinent question is, could the United Kingdom muster up the old attitude of keeping the stiff upper lip and enduring all hardships, or is the current generation of Britons simply too soft to deal with a protracted conflict on their island home?

What saved Britain in the past, was the ability of her people to endure gross hardships, with their backs to the wall.

by **EnragedMaldivians** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:00 am

Albion Rhodesia wrote:I think a very pertinent question is, could the United Kingdom muster up the old attitude of keeping the stiff upper lip and enduring all hardships, or is the current generation of Britons simply too soft to deal with a protracted conflict on their island home?

What saved Britain in the past, was the ability of her people to endure gross hardships, with their backs to the wall.

What a strange way to refer to the English channel.

by **Caninope** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:02 am

EnragedMaldivians wrote:They shouldn't go to war with each other. They should both declare war on arm-chair generals who posit ludicrous scenarios.

Quick: Guinea-Bisseau versus Malaysia in a fair fight, no nuclear weapons, no biological weapons, no katanas.

Go!

by **EnragedMaldivians** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:06 am

Caninope wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:They shouldn't go to war with each other. They should both declare war on arm-chair generals who posit ludicrous scenarios.

Quick: Guinea-Bisseau versus Malaysia in a fair fight, no nuclear weapons, no biological weapons, no katanas.

Go!

Malaysia wins. Mahatir Muhammad finally pulls out the giant stick that's been stuck up his ass for ages, and uses it to beat back the invaders.

Anachronous Rex wrote:
EnragedMaldivians wrote:They shouldn't go to war with each other. They should both declare war on arm-chair generals who posit ludicrous scenarios.

I am beginning to grow very fond of you.

Thank you for the compliment, my friend.

by **Costa Luna Nova** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:34 am

Given the fact that the French usually lose wars while the British usually win them I would have to so that the United Kingdom would win.

by **Herador** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:19 am

France, but only just.

by **Nazis in Space** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:25 am

Tairoth wrote:I would like to comment of your last quote about the Falkland's war...... Britain was outnumbered and had less supplies yet we beat the shit into the argies. and France hasn't been running military campaigns. The only one is in Mail but yet there are several other nations that have sent troops there. Stop speaking bullshit please.

You're the one who makes a random claim ('Britain is the best trained ever omgomg') based on what I presume is wishful thinking, and you accuse me of talking bullshit? Curious.

As for the Falklands, Britain... Fought a few thousand of them in an isolated location. France brought war straight to the heart of its opponents. Britain relied substantially on NATO intelligence, on the US providing reconnaissance information, and France providing details concerning its missiles (Not that Britain was able to use these details to, say, actually defend against them, mind you). France did shit basically on its own.

France is a sovereign country with a military capable of independent operations. Britain serves as an American auxiliary and has lost all ability to operate without American assistance.

Mind you, I'll happily grant you that The US + Britain would stomp France into the ground. It's just that Britain alone is basically... Well... A bit of a joke.

Kalumba wrote:100% hit ration, yet only managed to sink two ships one of which was a civilian vessel. And the Skua is an anti-ship weapon, although I do agree the Type 45 is underarmed yet it is still better than anything the French have and would be easily able to offer air cover to the submarines and prevent any French aircraft crossing the Channel.

Maybe their vessels under construction are equal to the Type 45, but they are under construction. The thread and my response to it were on current military capacity of Britain and France.

It should tell you something that a missile with a 5 1/2 times more powerful warhead than the Skua is only able to damage a target, shouldn't it? The comment, re: 'Scratching the paint job' wasn't there for nothing.

And I'm afraid that France already has three present-gen frigates in service. Two less than Britain, true, but given that the britgates can't actually engage enemy ships... Well... at all...

by **The Matthew Islands** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:30 am

EnragedMaldivians wrote:They shouldn't go to war with each other. They should both declare war on arm-chair generals who posit ludicrous scenarios.

That would wipe out half of NSG.

by **Camelza** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:35 am

France.

by **Constaniana** » Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:57 am

EnragedMaldivians wrote:
Albion Rhodesia wrote:I think a very pertinent question is, could the United Kingdom muster up the old attitude of keeping the stiff upper lip and enduring all hardships, or is the current generation of Britons simply too soft to deal with a protracted conflict on their island home?

What saved Britain in the past, was the ability of her people to endure gross hardships, with their backs to the wall.

What a strange way to refer to the English channel.

I thought that was referring more to British cooking.

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