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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:37 am

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PostFreelasio wrote:But all the tarot cards and crystal balls are nothing more than crap.

There are psychics who can predict stuff, but they just happen to have a stronger intuition than most people.

And your evidence for this claim...?
The tarot cards are a device that can be reasonably accurate given the right interpretation of the card meaning,

Yes, if you twist the meanings, you can fit them to reality. That goes to the creativity of tarot card readers, not the accuracy of the magic of decks of cards.
but the crystal ball is little more than decorative for them.

I find it wonderfully amusing when psychic believers arbitrarily pick magic they're sceptical of.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:39 am

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Ifreann wrote:Is this one of those "It only works when you already believe it works" deals?

When you're open to it working, more likely.

Or when you're open to fooling yourself and calling it magic.

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Postby Southern Babylonia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:39 am

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Southern Babylonia wrote:When you're open to it working, more likely.

Or when you're open to fooling yourself and calling it magic.

When did I say "magic"?

It's a genuinely helpful, calming, and thought-provoking thing, so whether it's "magic" or not doesn't matter much. You can call it a form of meditation.
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:43 am

Though such gifts as ESP are likely possible, all psychics are scam artists. They try to defraud the gullible of money by putting on a clever, but empty, show.
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:45 am

PostFreelasio wrote:Technically everyone is a psychic, you just have to BELIEVE

No but seriously....

You just gotta capture those few psychic moments ya have (a feeling similar to those gut feelings, or those premonitions that end up being correct) and say to your self "ima psychic" or do something of the like. Some people are stronger psychics than others

Me? Pretty damn weak psychic

Although i DID predict 3 earthquakes and 4 fire alarm malfunctions correctly :0 thats why i believe :0 it was COOL >:D :3

But all the tarot cards and crystal balls are nothing more than crap.


I have predicted (in a dream) the name and hair color, (and I have even got her face quite right) of a new teacher in school, when I was eight, yet I didn't believe it was supernatural for a moment. My theory was that I saw her somewhere on the street ( lived in a fairly small town) had heard her name mentioned, and you pretty much can tell both newcomers to a city and teachers by sight, and I put it together in my dreams. I do believe subconscious reasoning is very powerful, but nowhere supernatural. ( I tend to guess results of chemistry problems and then just explain my solution later on.) As for earthquakes, you are probably a very perceptive person who is sensitive to magnetic shifts( like cats and many other animals are), which tend to precede storms and earthquakes. Were there any storms within a few days or so before the mentioned fire alarms went wrong? Because storms can wreck cheap electronics pretty well.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:46 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Or when you're open to fooling yourself and calling it magic.

When did I say "magic"?

That was me, not you.

It's a genuinely helpful, calming, and thought-provoking thing, so whether it's "magic" or not doesn't matter much. You can call it a form of meditation.

If it isn't in some way like being a psychic, why did you bring it up?


Nidaria wrote:Though such gifts as ESP are likely possible,

And how did you come to that conclusion?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:47 am

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
PostFreelasio wrote:Technically everyone is a psychic, you just have to BELIEVE

No but seriously....

You just gotta capture those few psychic moments ya have (a feeling similar to those gut feelings, or those premonitions that end up being correct) and say to your self "ima psychic" or do something of the like. Some people are stronger psychics than others

Me? Pretty damn weak psychic

Although i DID predict 3 earthquakes and 4 fire alarm malfunctions correctly :0 thats why i believe :0 it was COOL >:D :3

But all the tarot cards and crystal balls are nothing more than crap.


I have predicted (in a dream) the name and hair color, (and I have even got her face quite right) of a new teacher in school, when I was eight, yet I didn't believe it was a supernatural for a moment. My theory was that I saw her somewhere on the street ( lived in a fairly small town) had heard her name mentioned, and you pretty much can tell both newcomers to a city and teachers by sight, and I put it together in my dreams. I do believe subconscious reasoning is very powerful, but nowhere supernatural. ( I tend to guess results of chemistry problems and then just explain my solution later on.) As for earthquakes, you are probably a very perceptive person who is sensitive to magnetic shifts( like cats and many other animals are), which tend to precede storms and earthquakes. Were there any storms within a few days or so before the mentioned fire alarms went wrong? Because storms can wreck cheap electronics pretty well.

You know how animals detect earthquakes before humans do? They spend most of their time lying on the ground.

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Postby Zavea » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:48 am

as the world's most accomplished psychic, i predict that the sun will set this evening.
is it pronounced zay-vee-uh or zuh-vay-uh? i can't decide

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:49 am

Zavea wrote:as the world's most accomplished psychic, i predict that the sun will set this evening.

I don't buy it.

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Postby Nidaria » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Though such gifts as ESP are likely possible,

And how did you come to that conclusion?

Although telepathy is not proven, it would be foolish to consider it nonexistent without making a thorough investigation into the matter. Much of the mind is yet unknown to us, and we do not fully realize its potential. I consider ESP on the same level as alien life: not proven but likely, yet often used by wierdos for their selfish gain,
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Postby Zavea » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:52 am

Ifreann wrote:
Zavea wrote:as the world's most accomplished psychic, i predict that the sun will set this evening.

I don't buy it.


trust me. i've predicted thousands of sunrises and sunsets with a 100% success rate.
is it pronounced zay-vee-uh or zuh-vay-uh? i can't decide

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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:54 am

I thought the title said "Physics" and I was working up to a rant.

But yeah, this sums up my feelings.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:54 am

Zavea wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't buy it.


trust me. i've predicted thousands of sunrises and sunsets with a 100% success rate.

Better reduce that success rate then. 'Round this part of town, we didn't have a sunrise because of clouds, so it can not set.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:55 am

Nidaria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And how did you come to that conclusion?

Although telepathy is not proven, it would be foolish to consider it nonexistent without making a thorough investigation into the matter.

On the contrary, it would be foolish to think that some people have magical powers simply because we haven't checked every single person and ruled them all out. Possible and likely are very different words.
Much of the mind is yet unknown to us, and we do not fully realize its potential.

Next you'll tell me that we could see the future if only we could use a greater percentage of our brains.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:56 am

Psychics are people very gifted at determining what someone wants believe and then telling them that. You can tell someone's political leanings, socioeconomic status, and energy level before they've said anything. That allows you to figure out what you can say to get them to give you more money. Much like magicians they're plying a legitimate trade, they're just lying about what exactly their skillset is.
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Postby Southern Babylonia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:When did I say "magic"?

That was me, not you.

My bad.
It's a genuinely helpful, calming, and thought-provoking thing, so whether it's "magic" or not doesn't matter much. You can call it a form of meditation.

If it isn't in some way like being a psychic, why did you bring it up?

I don't think all psychics call their "art" magic either.
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Postby Cosara » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:57 am

I am a non-denominational Christian (though my beliefs are closest to those of Baptists).

I don't believe in Psychics.
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Postby Czechanada » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:58 am

Nidaria wrote:Though such gifts as ESP are likely possible, all psychics are scam artists. They try to defraud the gullible of money by putting on a clever, but empty, show.


:o Must resist sardonically pointing out hypocrisy. Almost going to... Can't help myself...
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Postby Cosara » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:00 am

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Nidaria wrote:Though such gifts as ESP are likely possible, all psychics are scam artists. They try to defraud the gullible of money by putting on a clever, but empty, show.


:o Must resist sardonically pointing out hypocrisy. Almost going to... Can't help myself...

Go ahead.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:01 am

United Republics of Aralon wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You know how animals detect earthquakes before humans do? They spend most of their time lying on the ground.

You take pleasure in setting everyone right or what?

Yes, it's quite entertaining. Give it a try some time.
Seismogrpahs are more sensitive than any sense of touch can be

That would be why we use seismographs instead of chihuahuas.
and birds can predict earthquakes too.

How exactly do you determine this? What is it that birds do that indicates an oncoming earthquake? How is that different from what they normally do?
Yet animals often sense it earlier.

Or pet owners employ confirmation bias and attribute their pet's behaviour to prediction rather than just them fucking about.
ANd the core of earth is a big rotating chunk of molten metal that generates earth's magnetosphere and when pressures in this core shift the magnetic filed shifts too.

And supposing that's true, so what?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:03 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That was me, not you.

My bad.
If it isn't in some way like being a psychic, why did you bring it up?

I don't think all psychics call their "art" magic either.

I'm sure they don't. Doesn't really answer my question, though. If this "shamanic journeying" is just a form of meditation, why mention it when we're talking about psychics?

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Postby Southern Babylonia » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:04 am

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Southern Babylonia wrote:My bad.

I don't think all psychics call their "art" magic either.

I'm sure they don't. Doesn't really answer my question, though. If this "shamanic journeying" is just a form of meditation, why mention it when we're talking about psychics?

I think many people interpret them as one in the same, and decided to make the distinction.

But you're right, I apologise for not answering earlier.
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:51 am

Czechanada wrote:
Nidaria wrote:Though such gifts as ESP are likely possible, all psychics are scam artists. They try to defraud the gullible of money by putting on a clever, but empty, show.


:o Must resist sardonically pointing out hypocrisy. Almost going to... Can't help myself...

Explain. I never claimed I was a psychic, nor do I believe in them.
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Postby Normandywe » Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:07 am

Psychics, very much like magicians, are merely entertainers--it is only by foolishness have they been interpreted otherwise.

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