What's so bad about men not being sex crazed?

[Al-Quarra]

Once I was accused of being gay just for eating lunch with a bunch of girls. They say that gay guys have girls for friends.

I think you should get better friends or know if they are joking.

Well that he is called gay while he isn't is just crap, but it is a fact that lots gay men have lots of girl friends. (not that anything is wrong with that ofcourse)

[Anachronous Rex]

Here's the thing: no one gives a damn if one's celibate. No one.

But if you're saying that you're doing for moral reasons, that implies that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoint is immoral. And when you go on to say that only your morals are right and everyone who disagrees is going to pay for their sins, and comparing them to rapists and degenerates, you've got a few problems.

so you have a problem with religious people.

Not at all.

Suppose I were to say that I wouldn't date black women. Probably alarm bells would go off, because you would suspect racism, but if I were to clarify that I wouldn't date black women because I'm just not typically attracted to them, for reasons I neither understand nor am able to control, and that I'm not proud of this fact about me, it just seems to be the case, you would probably shrug and go, "to each their own, I guess."

If I said I would not date black women for moral reasons...

It's not a perfect analogy, but anytime someone says, "I wouldn't do x for moral reasons," there is implied condemnation of those who do. It's not always so terrible, ethical vegetarians aren't usually bastards about it, but then they have some demonstrable justification for their actions. Saying sex is immoral, when all you have to go on is some very old desert screed, is being a judgmental prick.

And, color me biased, I don't like judgmental pricks.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

lighten up? You just spat on my beliefs and called people like me morons.

Yes, lighten up. You're getting angry at words on a screen that could be coming from anyone on the damn planet, kid.

If you make a public statement of position, sometimes people will demand you back that up (I believe I can back mine up, can you?)... other times, people will think you're a moron, and it's your responsibility to either roll with it or defend yourself. That's the bitch about living amongst rational creatures - we expect communication.

1. Not a kid.


2. You're arguments reek of traditional anti-theistic hypocrisy. Claim religion is intolerant while at the same time degrading all people of faith. People have their faith and they judge and conduct themselves in accordance with their faith. Most religion teaches celibacy as a moral imperative. Saying celibacy is okay as long as it's not for moral reasons, is you're way of spitting at people of faith. Doesn't make you right, makes you an asshole.

[Anachronous Rex]

No, I have a problem with preachy people who tell me that I have to follow their dusty old book of myths.

now who's the condescending one?

umm... the one who is telling you that you have to do something?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

so you have a problem with religious people.

Not at all.

Suppose I were to say that I wouldn't date black women. Probably alarm bells would go off, because you would suspect racism, but if I were to clarify that I wouldn't date black women because I'm just not typically attracted to them, for reasons I neither understand nor am able to control, and that I'm not proud of this fact about me, it just seems to be the case, you would probably shrug and go, "to each their own, I guess."

If I said I would not date black women for moral reasons...

It's not a perfect analogy, but anytime someone says, "I wouldn't do x for moral reasons," there is implied condemnation of those who do. It's not always so terrible, ethical vegetarians aren't usually bastards about it, but then they have some demonstrable justification for their actions. Saying sex is immoral, when all you have to go on is some very old desert screed, is being a judgmental prick.

And, color me biased, I don't like judgmental pricks.

and the difference between you and me is, I understand there are certain cultures different than mine and while I may not agree, I respect their beliefs, because apparently unlike you, I'm not a judge mental prick

[Free Detroit]

1. Not a kid.

It was figurative, lighten up.

2. You're arguments reek of traditional anti-theistic hypocrisy. Claim religion is intolerant while at the same time degrading all people of faith.

Anti-theisic... maybe. Hypocritical, no. I never once claimed religion was intolerant, or that was my problem with it. I think it's an ignorant way to engage with the world, there's a difference.

People have their faith and they judge and conduct themselves in accordance with their faith.

Some people conduct themselves in accordance with faith, some people prefer reason and critical judgment. Faith, by definition, requires the suspension of reason and critical judgment. Like Huck Finn said, faith is believing what you know ain't so.

Most religion teaches celibacy as a moral imperative. Saying celibacy is okay as long as it's not for moral reasons, is you're way of spitting at people of faith.

"Most" is a dubious claim. Some do, mainly the ones (like Christianity) that have a lot of hangups inherited from Zoroastrianism and similar death cults... A good number of others have no such issues (say Buddhism).

Doesn't make you right, makes you an asshole.

I have no extraordinary need to be right.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

1. Not a kid.

It was figurative, lighten up.

2. You're arguments reek of traditional anti-theistic hypocrisy. Claim religion is intolerant while at the same time degrading all people of faith.

Anti-theisic... maybe. Hypocritical, no. I never once claimed religion was intolerant, or that was my problem with it. I think it's an ignorant way to engage with the world, there's a difference.

People have their faith and they judge and conduct themselves in accordance with their faith.

Some people conduct themselves in accordance with faith, some people prefer reason and critical judgment. Faith, by definition, requires the suspension of reason and critical judgment. Like Huck Finn said, faith is believing what you know ain't so.

Most religion teaches celibacy as a moral imperative. Saying celibacy is okay as long as it's not for moral reasons, is you're way of spitting at people of faith.

"Most" is a dubious claim. Some do, mainly the ones (like Christianity) that have a lot of hangups inherited from Zoroastrianism and similar death cults... A good number of others have no such issues (say Buddhism).

Doesn't make you right, makes you an asshole.

I have no extraordinary need to be right.

1. It's condescending.
2. You have a misguided view of faith.

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

[Magnanimitatumus]

It was figurative, lighten up.



Anti-theisic... maybe. Hypocritical, no. I never once claimed religion was intolerant, or that was my problem with it. I think it's an ignorant way to engage with the world, there's a difference.



Some people conduct themselves in accordance with faith, some people prefer reason and critical judgment. Faith, by definition, requires the suspension of reason and critical judgment. Like Huck Finn said, faith is believing what you know ain't so.



"Most" is a dubious claim. Some do, mainly the ones (like Christianity) that have a lot of hangups inherited from Zoroastrianism and similar death cults... A good number of others have no such issues (say Buddhism).



I have no extraordinary need to be right.

1. It's condescending.
2. You have a misguided view of faith.

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

1. Life is tough.
2. Misguided view of faith isn't how I would say it.

Also, Buddhism is a religion. Just because they do not support your faith doesn't mean you can slap a new name on them and call 'em queer.

[Anachronous Rex]

Not at all.

Suppose I were to say that I wouldn't date black women. Probably alarm bells would go off, because you would suspect racism, but if I were to clarify that I wouldn't date black women because I'm just not typically attracted to them, for reasons I neither understand nor am able to control, and that I'm not proud of this fact about me, it just seems to be the case, you would probably shrug and go, "to each their own, I guess."

If I said I would not date black women for moral reasons...

It's not a perfect analogy, but anytime someone says, "I wouldn't do x for moral reasons," there is implied condemnation of those who do. It's not always so terrible, ethical vegetarians aren't usually bastards about it, but then they have some demonstrable justification for their actions. Saying sex is immoral, when all you have to go on is some very old desert screed, is being a judgmental prick.

And, color me biased, I don't like judgmental pricks.

and the difference between you and me is, I understand there are certain cultures different than mine and while I may not agree, I respect their beliefs, because apparently unlike you, I'm not a judge mental prick

The irony. You're being one right now. And after I did nothing to provoke you. I may be a "judge mental prick," but at least I try not to be rude about it.

It's even more ironic, because, as you're being judgmental, you're telling me to tolerate other peoples intolerance. That's what you've chosen to be judgmental about.

Frankly, I couldn't do better if I tried. You are a delightful layered cake of hypocrisy.

[Free Detroit]

1. It's condescending.
2. You have a misguided view of faith.

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

... Buddhism isn't a religion? Hmm... Well, maybe you want to tell that to the hundreds of people who go to the temple down the street from my apartment every day to pray... to gods...

Ok, their gods are both Buddhist and Daoist, but Buddha and various Bodhisattva are amongst them... Fine, either way, they don't care about fuckin'. Except the gods that help you get better in bed...

That ridiculous statement aside, I think my view of faith is pretty accurate. What is faith? It's suspending your judgment on some issue in order to accept an answer that is meaningless - "meaningless" in the sense that is cannot be proven true or false, because it has no bearing on truth or falsehood. How else could you consider faith?

[Forster Keys]

Neither are bad?

Of course not. I'm trying to understand here and I'm failing to understand.

The science of idiocy is anything but simple.

[Immoren]

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

Buddhism is both religion and philosphy.

[Forster Keys]

1. It's condescending.
2. You have a misguided view of faith.

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

... Buddhism isn't a religion? Hmm... Well, maybe you want to tell that to the hundreds of people who go to the temple down the street from my apartment every day to pray... to gods...

Ok, their gods are both Buddhist and Daoist, but Buddha and various Bodhisattva are amongst them... Fine, either way, they don't care about fuckin'. Except the gods that help you get better in bed...

That ridiculous statement aside, I think my view of faith is pretty accurate. What is faith? It's suspending your judgment on some issue in order to accept an answer that is meaningless - "meaningless" in the sense that is cannot be proven true or false, because it has no bearing on truth or falsehood. How else could you consider faith?

Gods can fit into the Buddhist philosophy as just other beings trapped in the system. There's also such things as Buddhist Atheists. Buddha was not a good, neither where any of the Bodhisattva's. They were just wise men who found purportedly enlightenment. That's my interpretation anyway. Worshiping them is no different to worshiping any other man or woman. It doesn't change their mortality or humanity.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

1. It's condescending.
2. You have a misguided view of faith.

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

... Buddhism isn't a religion? Hmm... Well, maybe you want to tell that to the hundreds of people who go to the temple down the street from my apartment every day to pray... to gods...

Ok, their gods are both Buddhist and Daoist, but Buddha and various Bodhisattva are amongst them... Fine, either way, they don't care about fuckin'. Except the gods that help you get better in bed...

That ridiculous statement aside, I think my view of faith is pretty accurate. What is faith? It's suspending your judgment on some issue in order to accept an answer that is meaningless - "meaningless" in the sense that is cannot be proven true or false, because it has no bearing on truth or falsehood. How else could you consider faith?

Buddhists don't believe in a deity.


Faith is a belief in something that can't be proved or disproved. The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. In fact your rejection of the existence of God is taken on faith. You can make yourself feel better by calling religious people stupid, or by invoking the null hypothesis, but in the end it's still faith. You believe it, without supporting evidence.

[Free Detroit]

Gods can fit into the Buddhist philosophy as just other beings trapped in the system. There's also such things as Buddhist Atheists. Buddha was not a good, neither where any of the Bodhisattva's. They were just wise men who found purportedly enlightenment. That's my interpretation anyway. Worshiping them is no different to worshiping any other man or woman. It doesn't change their mortality or humanity.

Yes, I know it... but "Buddhism is not a religion" is a pretty bold (and incorrect) statement.

And, despite the fact that Buddha expressly discouraged people worshiping him and considering him to be a god... and despite the fact that it goes against doctrine in many schools of Buddhist thought... the fact is, in Asia it is most common to worship the Buddha and the Bodhisattva as gods, and consider them to be immortal deities.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

1. It's condescending.
2. You have a misguided view of faith.

Also Buddhism isn't a religion. It's a philosophy.

1. Life is tough.
2. Misguided view of faith isn't how I would say it.

Also, Buddhism is a religion. Just because they do not support your faith doesn't mean you can slap a new name on them and call 'em queer.

They don't worship a deity, they follow the teachings of Buddha in hopes of reaching enlightenment. Daoism incorporates Buddha as a God. Educate yourself.

[Free Detroit]

Buddhists don't believe in a deity.

Incorrect, see previous posts by me & others.

Faith is a belief in something that can't be proved or disproved. The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

Thus, you suspend critical judgment and reason in order to accept something ::drumroll:: on faith. My point exactly.

In fact your rejection of the existence of God is taken on faith.

Did I claim to be an atheist? You have a knack for making unfounded assumptions; must be well practiced. Oh, right... faith.

You believe it, without supporting evidence.

Hmm... That's not the way reason works, kid. My suggestion for you is about 500cc's of epistemological development and a good night's sleep.

[Free Detroit]

Daoism incorporates Buddha as a God. Educate yourself.

Then explain how this works in places like Thailand that have strong theistic Buddhist traditions, but are not Daoist...

Stop talking out of your ass.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Buddhists don't believe in a deity.

Incorrect, see previous posts by me & others.

Faith is a belief in something that can't be proved or disproved. The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved.

Thus, you suspend critical judgment and reason in order to accept something ::drumroll:: on faith. My point exactly.

In fact your rejection of the existence of God is taken on faith.

Did I claim to be an atheist? You have a knack for making unfounded assumptions; must be well practiced. Oh, right... faith.

You believe it, without supporting evidence.

Hmm... That's not the way reason works, kid. My suggestion for you is about 500cc's of epistemological development and a good night's sleep.

you misread that. YOU believe God doesn't exist without supporting evidence.

[Free Detroit]

you misread that. YOU believe God doesn't exist without supporting evidence.

YOU still make up reality as you go along, as it suits you. Let me guess - protestant?

Of course I read it correctly, and responded to it directly. I never claimed to be an athiest - that's something your faith-based way of avoiding thinking led you to assume. And, as I said, that's not the way reason works - I don't have to have evidence that something meaningless has no bearing on truth.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I'll retract my Buddist comment. Rereading the definition of religion it doesn't expressly require a God, so my mistake.

[Anachronous Rex]

... Buddhism isn't a religion? Hmm... Well, maybe you want to tell that to the hundreds of people who go to the temple down the street from my apartment every day to pray... to gods...

Ok, their gods are both Buddhist and Daoist, but Buddha and various Bodhisattva are amongst them... Fine, either way, they don't care about fuckin'. Except the gods that help you get better in bed...

That ridiculous statement aside, I think my view of faith is pretty accurate. What is faith? It's suspending your judgment on some issue in order to accept an answer that is meaningless - "meaningless" in the sense that is cannot be proven true or false, because it has no bearing on truth or falsehood. How else could you consider faith?

Buddhists don't believe in a deity.

Buddhism doesn't believe in a deity. Buddhists usually do. Usually several.

Faith is a belief in something that can't be proved or disproved. The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. In fact your rejection of the existence of God is taken on faith. You can make yourself feel better by calling religious people stupid, or by invoking the null hypothesis, but in the end it's still faith. You believe it, without supporting evidence.

Yup. Just like my faith in the nonexistence of unicorns, leprechauns, airbenders, and kufufflemorphs.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Buddhists don't believe in a deity.

Buddhism doesn't believe in a deity. Buddhists usually do. Usually several.

Faith is a belief in something that can't be proved or disproved. The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. In fact your rejection of the existence of God is taken on faith. You can make yourself feel better by calling religious people stupid, or by invoking the null hypothesis, but in the end it's still faith. You believe it, without supporting evidence.

Yup. Just like my faith in the nonexistence of unicorns, leprechauns, airbenders, and kufufflemorphs.

if that wasn't meant to be sarcastic, I'd say whatever floats your boat.

[Anachronous Rex]

Buddhism doesn't believe in a deity. Buddhists usually do. Usually several.



Yup. Just like my faith in the nonexistence of unicorns, leprechauns, airbenders, and kufufflemorphs.

if that wasn't meant to be sarcastic, I'd say whatever floats your boat.

Do you believe in those things?

Do you call it faith if you don't?

[Australian rePublic]

Mainstreem society is stupid
/all questions involving why people do things like this