What's so bad about men not being sex crazed?

[Bottle]

Maybe I am.

Additionally maybe, in fact, many men still believe they're the dominant gender, so they're oblivious to the fact that a large proportion of women do, in fact, want to exploit them sexually. To admit that this is the case is damaging to their masculinity.

If only NOBODY exploited ANYBODY for their bodies as a socially encouraged norm, amirite?

Tell me more about these women just aching to sexually exploit men

Tsk tsk, you should be giving him a cookie for being willing to let his woman have a career (as long as it doesn't threaten him). What the fuck more do you want, feminists????

[East Williamsburg]

Maybe I am.

Additionally maybe, in fact, many men still believe they're the dominant gender, so they're oblivious to the fact that a large proportion of women do, in fact, want to exploit them sexually. To admit that this is the case is damaging to their masculinity.

If only NOBODY exploited ANYBODY for their bodies as a socially encouraged norm, amirite?

Tell me more about these women just aching to sexually exploit men

You're a lesbian. How did you come to know so much?

The hookup culture?

[Forster Keys]

Tell me more about these women just aching to sexually exploit men

You're a lesbian. How did you come to know so much?

The hookup culture?

WTF does this even mean?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Tell me more about these women just aching to sexually exploit men

You're a lesbian. How did you come to know so much?

The hookup culture?

What on earth are you talking about?

[East Williamsburg]

No, I said that I wanted a woman with a career. I never said I didn't want a woman with a career.

Christ...

I want a woman with a career of her own, just as long as she doesn't use it to challenge me as a person and tries to form a constructive partnership.

That means you're paranoid.

Nope. Lived experiences.

[Grave_n_idle]

Maybe it's just your phrasing - but I think the reason you're coming in for so much conflict is that it reads like you're saying a woman with a better job than you is somehow doing that as a way to make your testicles look small.

No, that's just how people are interpreting it due to their preconceptions.

No, that's just how it reads, because that's how you've written it.

[East Williamsburg]

You're a lesbian. How did you come to know so much?

The hookup culture?

What on earth are you talking about?

The culture of transient meaningless sexual encounters?

[Samuraikoku]

Nope. Lived experiences.

Too bad they cannot be proven or disproven, aye?

[The Steel Magnolia]

What on earth are you talking about?

If you're a lesbian, would you ever KNOW FIRSTHAND what straight people want?

Well the obvious "I used to be one" is a great response here, but it just reeks of laziness.

[Samuraikoku]

If you're a lesbian, would you ever KNOW FIRSTHAND what straight people want?

I'm taking it's the same thing as a gay person wants. An enjoyable experience of consensual sex.

[Individuality-ness]

Tell me more about these women just aching to sexually exploit men

Tsk tsk, you should be giving him a cookie for being willing to let his woman have a career (as long as it doesn't threaten him). What the fuck more do you want, feminists????

Being allowed to make more than him if I have a better career than him?

[Grave_n_idle]

Maybe I am.

Additionally maybe, in fact, many men still believe they're the dominant gender, so they're oblivious to the fact that a large proportion of women do, in fact, want to exploit them sexually. To admit that this is the case is damaging to their masculinity.

If only NOBODY exploited ANYBODY for their bodies as a socially encouraged norm, amirite?

I've been involved in a number of relationships, and maybe it's just the kinds of relationships I get into but... I've never yet been exploited for sex, even in relationships where sex was arguably the focus.

Maybe you're doing it wrong?

[Anachronous Rex]

Maybe I am.

Additionally maybe, in fact, many men still believe they're the dominant gender, so they're oblivious to the fact that a large proportion of women do, in fact, want to exploit them sexually. To admit that this is the case is damaging to their masculinity.

If only NOBODY exploited ANYBODY for their bodies as a socially encouraged norm, amirite?

Just some tactical advice:
You're being overstrenous. Which is a good way to call attention to an issue, but it's also a great way to get ignored.

Now I've been in a relationship with a much more successful woman. And, you're right, the power dynamic is tricky. For me, it mostly took the form that I was slave to her career (I had to move around a lot, which made consistent employment difficult, thus sabotaging my own career.) This was a price I was willing to pay to be with her, and I do not regret it, however actually exploitive and abusive relationships do exist with woman as the antagonists.

Your words, however, demonstrate that you have no insight into what that is or would look like. I don't think you've ever been in such a relationship. You lack credibility, and your over-the-top presentation does disservice to the issue.

[Grave_n_idle]

That means you're paranoid.

Nope. Lived experiences.

So, in the 'lived experiences' you claim... women who have careers challenge you as a person, and don't try to form constructive relationships?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Tsk tsk, you should be giving him a cookie for being willing to let his woman have a career (as long as it doesn't threaten him). What the fuck more do you want, feminists????

Being allowed to make more than him if I have a better career than him?

Feckin' feminazi misandrist female supremacists, the lot of ye!

[East Williamsburg]

Nope. Lived experiences.

Too bad they cannot be proven or disproven, aye?

I know what I want and that's what matters, to me.

I don't want a conflictual relationship with any woman on any basis, whether I start it or she does.

[Bottle]

No, that's just how people are interpreting it due to their preconceptions.

No, that's just how it reads, because that's how you've written it.

When everyone else reads you the same way, it's worth considering that your delivery is the problem.

And this isn't just about piling on someone, this is also directly relevant to the vicious cycle in play here:

Guys, when you express things this way, WOMEN HEAR YOU (or read you as the case may be). You may think you're cleverly hiding your paranoia, resentment, or generally contempt for women, but you're not. Other people see it...and women are among those people.

So what does this mean? Well, first of all it means you're driving away a lot of women. More specifically, you are driving away all women except 1) those who are inexperienced enough to not spot the warning signs, 2) those who are actively interested in adversarial/competitive relationships and will thus find your concept of relationships reasonable, or 3) jerks who want to exploit your obvious weak spots.

This means you are creating a situation in which you are unlikely to ever attract a good partner. It becomes a Mobius strip of badness.

[Samuraikoku]

I know what I want and that's what matters, to me.

I don't want a conflictual relationship with any woman on any basis, whether I start it or she does.

Nice backtrack, again, but that's not what you said.

[East Williamsburg]

Maybe I am.

Additionally maybe, in fact, many men still believe they're the dominant gender, so they're oblivious to the fact that a large proportion of women do, in fact, want to exploit them sexually. To admit that this is the case is damaging to their masculinity.

If only NOBODY exploited ANYBODY for their bodies as a socially encouraged norm, amirite?

Just some tactical advice:
You're being overstrenous. Which is a good way to call attention to an issue, but it's also a great way to get ignored.

Now I've been in a relationship with a much more successful woman. And, you're right, the power dynamic is tricky. For me, it mostly took the form that I was slave to her career (I had to move around a lot, which made consistent employment difficult, thus sabotaging my own career.) This was a price I was willing to pay to be with her, and I do not regret it, however actually exploitive and abusive relationships do exist with woman as the antagonists.

Your words, however, demonstrate that you have no insight into what that is or would look like. I don't think you've ever been in such a relationship. You lack credibility, and your over-the-top presentation does disservice to the issue.

My family was like this in some ways.

None of my previous relationships were.

[United States of Natan]

We men are expected to chase women down in hot pursuit like we're a dog or something, and if we don't we are labelled as "homosexual", "faggot", "unmanly" "pussy", "retard", "autistic", "schizofrenic" and we are also accused of extreme masturbation and jizzing all the time.


Why can't someone just stay celibate?
Also, women are not easy to attract. Why does someone have to be called a "faggot" for not chasing women all the time

I know, right? I for one, am not sex crazed, and would very much just like to have a romantic relationship with my girlfriend, not so much a sexual one.

[Grave_n_idle]

Too bad they cannot be proven or disproven, aye?

I know what I want and that's what matters, to me.

I think I've worked out the problem.

[Duckistan]

I don't know nor do I care. Women complicate the whole thing. If they would just be as interested in fucking as I and many other guys are then perhaps pursuing them would be more worth it. Instead you've got to date them, shill out money, romance them, shill out more money, and subtly convince them to sleep with you. You can't just be like "hey, want to fuck?" because if you do you might get slapped, not just physically, but maybe legally, because the justice system has been tweeked by annoying feminazis to make it almost criminal to try and seduce a woman. It's now sexual harassment, even if it is the only time you've asked. At least that's how I see it.

Celibacy sounds boring.

You dont have right to have sex. Sooner you realise it, sooner you will get laid.

When did I claim to have the right to have sex with a particular person? I'm just saying women are complicated.

How is it thinking that I have a right to sex from a particular woman to say that I wish it were as simple as asking? If I'm asking she still has the ability to say no, does she not? So how am I in the wrong.

[Individuality-ness]

You dont have right to have sex. Sooner you realise it, sooner you will get laid.

When did I claim to have the right to have sex with a particular person? I'm just saying women are complicated.

How is it thinking that I have a right to sex from a particular woman to say that I wish it were as simple as asking? If I'm asking she still has the ability to say no, does she not? So how am I in the wrong.

You don't have to say it directly in order to imply that you believe such. You're complaining that you can't fuck women unless you seduce them and otherwise spend shit tons of money on them. You're whining about sexual harassment laws because now (according to you) you can't just fuck women directly.

Such wanton entitlement to sex because you want it would turn most women off.

[I Want to Smash Them All]

You dont have right to have sex. Sooner you realise it, sooner you will get laid.

When did I claim to have the right to have sex with a particular person? I'm just saying women are complicated.

How is it thinking that I have a right to sex from a particular woman to say that I wish it were as simple as asking? If I'm asking she still has the ability to say no, does she not? So how am I in the wrong.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Pro-tip: Women generally like and want sex as much as men. That does not mean any individual woman wants to have sex with any individual man. Regardless, using terms like "feminazi," referring to individuals as a generic "them," believing in antiquated stereotypes about women, thinking you have to pretend to go through various motions to "subtly convince [a woman] to sleep with you," behaving in a manner that is even remotely comparable to sexual harassment, not understanding what sexual harassment is, etc., are all counter-productive to sexual relations with women. Perhaps one should start by try thinking of a woman as an individual person with individual interests and desires and not some object to be fucked if one can trick or "seduce" her.

[Duckistan]

I don't know nor do I care. Women complicate the whole thing. If they would just be as interested in fucking as I and many other guys are then perhaps pursuing them would be more worth it.

There are women out there who are only interested in sex, it is just that it won't be most females that you come across and you are probably looking in the wrong place. If you want a one night stand it could be as easy as visiting Craigslist and answering one of the adult personals ads and taking the risk of visiting.

Instead you've got to date them, shill out money, romance them, shill out more money, and subtly convince them to sleep with you. You can't just be like "hey, want to fuck?" because if you do you might get slapped, not just physically, but maybe legally, because the justice system has been tweeked by annoying feminazis to make it almost criminal to try and seduce a woman. It's now sexual harassment, even if it is the only time you've asked. At least that's how I see it.

What you need to keep in mind is that women are individuals with varying interests besides sex and if a woman wants a committed relationship before having sex, that is their choice and you aren't entitled to it.

It is best that you just move on to someone else that has similar interests that you do if you're not into dating. I think you being upfront about only wanting sex, is a lot more preferable to you just lying about your personality, intentions, etc. to trick a woman into sleeping with you. Your complaint about sexual harassment laws, I don't think that is a legitimate grievance. You probably wouldn't want to be sexually harassed by total strangers.

Celibacy sounds boring.

I'm celibate more out of circumstance than my own free will, but it isn't so bad. It is only boring if you make it so.

Same here, though I have gotten laid, contrary to an obvious feminist's statement earlier (that is one of their biggest insults against men who disagree with them. It's either "you have a small penis!", "You need to get laid!", or "neckbeard!")
Well, I actually kind of want both romance and sex, actually. I just want the sex and the romance easier. Maybe I'm just incredibly impatient.

Not to mention, I've been led on by women for months without even so much as a kiss.

I just don't see how me being upfront about wanting sex by asking "would you like to fuck?" is wrong. If I were asked that by a woman, even one I didn't know, I'd be downright flattered and almost certainly accept her invitation. Women for some reason seem to take offense. I don't understand it. I guess my real gripe is that I've been hurt by misuse of such laws in the past. When I was in sixth grade I had a bunch of girls accuse me of all sorts of things. I nearly went to jail, and if the principal hadn't been so willing to believe me, I would have. I think I may have some trauma left over from that whole incident all these years later. Believe it or not, I used to be extremely romantic. When I had crushes on girls before that I'd actually write them little love letters and leave them candy. I've not been the same since then. Because of that, I guess somewhere I still have a deep seated fear of being accused of some sexual crime by some bitch who just hates men.

Also, I don't trust craigslist or any of those online fuck sites. Many of the "women" on craigslist are actually men, and there are incredibly few real women on there. And the sites that you can supposedly meet sex crazed women are scams. I went onto one once. What they do is they have a bunch of what I call "bait accounts" where they send you a message saying they are interested in you. However, you can't respond without joining the site. You think you have a surefire sex partner once you sign up, but it was all a ruse to get you to become a member. Even worse, the people who aren't on there to bait you into membership on that site are people from some of the other porn sites who will send you links to paysites. It's all a big scam.