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Postby Tahar Joblis » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:26 am

East Williamsburg wrote:I'm the first one in my family to go to college. I know how the world works.

Surveys demonstrate that at college, men who sleep around more are respected less for it.

By actual students, that is. Students believe in the existence of a double standard whereby promiscuous men are respected more, but almost all personally respect promiscuous men less. There are a few people who look up to promiscuous men, and those are mostly concentrated in fraternities and athletics programs.

There's also a confounding problem and a conflating problem.

First, the higher your status, as a man, the more likely women are to sleep with you. So you may notice that men who you know sleep around a lot are respected more widely; but it's them having more sex because they are respected, rather than being more respected because they have more sex. That's the confounding problem.

Second, the more women you sleep with, the more likely women are to sleep with you. It's very easy for a man to conflate sexual attention from women with respect from women, because we tend to teach boys to measure their self-worth by female attention, and sexual attention is very visible. Truth of the matter is, women are, to a large degree and particularly in college, not picking men to sleep with on the basis of who they respect. They're picking men to sleep with on the basis of how likely the experience is to be pleasurable.

Studies that try to control for whether or not women expect to receive an orgasm from the prospective sexual partner suggest similar willingness from men and women to engage in casual sex; with the real-world difference being inferred as coming from women viewing the odds of their receiving an orgasm from boning a man as low. If other women are sleeping with that man, though, he must be good at sex, right?
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:28 am

East Williamsburg wrote:I'm the first one in my family to go to college. I know how the world works.

Oh yeah, that proves it.
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Postby East Williamsburg » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:29 am

Which is why I said that men have been reduced to sexual objects.

Men are encouraged to sleep around in college but get less personal respect for it.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:30 am

East Williamsburg wrote:I'm the first one in my family to go to college.


What's that got to do with anything?

I know how the world works.


You clearly don't, and you obviously missed the point of what I was saying.
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Postby Tahar Joblis » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:01 am

Fluffy Coyotes wrote: Being mistaken for a homosexual almost makes sense though. It's not always meant as a negative assumption; my mom has occasionally speculated about whether or not I am gay because of my hesitancy to get involved in dating. The truth is, I'm just straight in a way that's unusual for straight guys.

I don't think it's actually true.

That is, I don't think it's actually unusual for men to be hesitant about dating.

One fact of the matter is that if you're a guy who has been single for a while, it's hard. If you're among the eighty percent that women rate as below average, it's a real uphill struggle; and if you're in the twenty percent rated as above average by women, and you've been single for a while, a lot of women suspect there must be something wrong with you, explaining your singleness.

Another fact of the matter is that dating is traditionally an enormous amount of work for men. The traditional courtship expectation is that men do all the work of initiating, persuading, planning, buying, et cetera, while women passively choice and approve or disapprove; and we are still closer to that tradition than we are to equality.

A third fact is that there are a great many of us, both men and women, who are aware that dating the wrong person is likely to ruin us. We know that it just takes one person with an STD to either stigmatize, as in the case of herpes, or seriously endanger, as in the case of HIV, us for the rest of our lives. It just takes one exceptionally violent, dishonest, and manipulative person to wreck our lives. This may be a little more visible to men, who are not as well protected by the law; it may be a little more visible to women, who are told to fear men. I'm not honestly sure; but women being picky is considered normal.

If you, as a man, are picky enough to want to take things slower than a woman is interested in taking things, you are playing with fire; let alone rejecting her as not good enough. Hell hath no fury and all. If a man chooses to be chaste - not just monogamous, that's considered OK by the dominant cultural strain, but not sleeping with anyone - he will get flak for it. Male virginity, or just male chastity, is considered pathetic past a certain point.

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Postby Tahar Joblis » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:05 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:If that's the case, you are hanging with the wrong crowd. If you are married, you get plenty of approval from other married couples. (Married people still make up a large part of the population.)

I would actually go as far as to say that being married generates respect for men. Being a never-married man, at least past a certain age, is a black mark against you.

I'm inclined to agree with you that there's something of an age thing involved. If you marry "too early," man or woman, people do tend to think you're an idiot for doing so, but that goes away once you're "old enough" for it not to be unusual that you're married.

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Postby Tahar Joblis » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:06 am

East Williamsburg wrote:Which is why I said that men have been reduced to sexual objects.

Men are encouraged to sleep around in college but get less personal respect for it.

Fair enough.

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Postby Bottle » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:54 am

East Williamsburg wrote:I'm the first one in my family to go to college. I know how the world works.

I want to frame this and hang it on my wall.
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Postby Bottle » Fri Mar 29, 2013 5:58 am

East Williamsburg wrote:Why is this taking place?

Because men are now reduced to sex objects. The only way to attain a high socio-sexual position is through the sexual approval of women, rather than fulfilling the role of a husband, pleasing just one woman, and gaining said approval from both genders.

edit: I must add, if you predominantly try to gain the approval of men while remaining monogamous or single, you're seen as weak, impotent, and possibly gay. The only affection a man is allowed to express is towards a woman, in a sexual manner.

Gotta echo the others who have already said: you need a new crowd. When you say "attain a high socio-sexual position," with whom are you trying to gain said position? That's the real crux of your problem, methinks.

Not only do I not experience that now, I didn't experience it in college, either. Sure, there were people who saw casual sex as the greatest achievement ever...but I wasn't interested in hanging around those people, and didn't especially care what they thought about my "status." There were just as many people, if not more, who insisted that NOT having casual sex was what made you a better person, and I also didn't give a shit what those people thought.

Stop hanging around with people who think your sex life is the most important of your achievements. Stop trying to gain "status" in the eyes of people with silly values. You'll be much happier.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:57 am

East Williamsburg wrote:Why is this taking place?

Because men are now reduced to sex objects. The only way to attain a high socio-sexual position is through the sexual approval of women, rather than fulfilling the role of a husband, pleasing just one woman, and gaining said approval from both genders.

edit: I must add, if you predominantly try to gain the approval of men while remaining monogamous or single, you're seen as weak, impotent, and possibly gay. The only affection a man is allowed to express is towards a woman, in a sexual manner.


Well aren't you precious.

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Postby Duckistan » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:03 am

Judeochrist wrote:We men are expected to chase women down in hot pursuit like we're a dog or something, and if we don't we are labelled as "homosexual", "faggot", "unmanly" "pussy", "retard", "autistic", "schizofrenic" and we are also accused of extreme masturbation and jizzing all the time.


Why can't someone just stay celibate?
Also, women are not easy to attract. Why does someone have to be called a "faggot" for not chasing women all the time

I don't know nor do I care. Women complicate the whole thing. If they would just be as interested in fucking as I and many other guys are then perhaps pursuing them would be more worth it. Instead you've got to date them, shill out money, romance them, shill out more money, and subtly convince them to sleep with you. You can't just be like "hey, want to fuck?" because if you do you might get slapped, not just physically, but maybe legally, because the justice system has been tweeked by annoying feminazis to make it almost criminal to try and seduce a woman. It's now sexual harassment, even if it is the only time you've asked. At least that's how I see it.

Celibacy sounds boring.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:06 am

Oh god forbid a women wouldn't want to sleep with you.

I can't possibly imagine why.
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:07 am

Duckistan wrote:I don't know nor do I care. Women complicate the whole thing. If they would just be as interested in fucking as I and many other guys are then perhaps pursuing them would be more worth it. Instead you've got to date them, shill out money, romance them, shill out more money, and subtly convince them to sleep with you. You can't just be like "hey, want to fuck?" because if you do you might get slapped, not just physically, but maybe legally, because the justice system has been tweeked by annoying feminazis to make it almost criminal to try and seduce a woman. It's now sexual harassment, even if it is the only time you've asked. At least that's how I see it.

Celibacy sounds boring.

You dont have right to have sex. Sooner you realise it, sooner you will get laid.
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Postby Finch » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:09 am

Judeochrist wrote:We men are expected to chase women down in hot pursuit like we're a dog or something, and if we don't we are labelled as "homosexual", "faggot", "unmanly" "pussy", "retard", "autistic", "schizofrenic" and we are also accused of extreme masturbation and jizzing all the time.


Why can't someone just stay celibate?
Also, women are not easy to attract. Why does someone have to be called a "faggot" for not chasing women all the time


We are expected. We have seed that needs sewing and fertile fields should not fall prey to seeds of ill constitution! That being said, you're fine. My best friend never seemed to have a gf back in the day, after college he left for Japan with this beautiful woman far above his pay grade and came back married. Some wait for that right girl, some aren't so charged to fuck everything female human and alive (the burden!) and I think you should hit back with equally mean words in good faith. Truth is, many of those guys talking that shit probably don't get nearly as much pussy as they attempt to portray.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:11 am

Duckistan wrote:
Judeochrist wrote:We men are expected to chase women down in hot pursuit like we're a dog or something, and if we don't we are labelled as "homosexual", "faggot", "unmanly" "pussy", "retard", "autistic", "schizofrenic" and we are also accused of extreme masturbation and jizzing all the time.


Why can't someone just stay celibate?
Also, women are not easy to attract. Why does someone have to be called a "faggot" for not chasing women all the time

I don't know nor do I care. Women complicate the whole thing. If they would just be as interested in fucking as I and many other guys are then perhaps pursuing them would be more worth it.


I wonder why they're not interested in having sex with you and your friends.

Instead you've got to date them, shill out money, romance them, shill out more money, and subtly convince them to sleep with you. You can't just be like "hey, want to fuck?" because if you do you might get slapped, not just physically, but maybe legally, because the justice system has been tweeked by annoying feminazis to make it almost criminal to try and seduce a woman. It's now sexual harassment, even if it is the only time you've asked. At least that's how I see it.


Oh, that'd be why. The combination of subtle misogyny and objectification of them as vessels with which you can gratify your desires.

Funny that.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:11 am

The fact you think women are fertile fields to be sown says so, so much about you.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:18 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:The fact you think women are fertile fields to be sown says so, so much about you.

Just goes to show that agriculture is the real enemy here.
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Postby Immoren » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:19 am

Anachronous Rex wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:The fact you think women are fertile fields to be sown says so, so much about you.

Just goes to show that agriculture is the real enemy here.


I always thought that Agricultural Revolution was a bad move.
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Postby East Williamsburg » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:30 am

Bottle wrote:
East Williamsburg wrote:Why is this taking place?

Because men are now reduced to sex objects. The only way to attain a high socio-sexual position is through the sexual approval of women, rather than fulfilling the role of a husband, pleasing just one woman, and gaining said approval from both genders.

edit: I must add, if you predominantly try to gain the approval of men while remaining monogamous or single, you're seen as weak, impotent, and possibly gay. The only affection a man is allowed to express is towards a woman, in a sexual manner.

Gotta echo the others who have already said: you need a new crowd. When you say "attain a high socio-sexual position," with whom are you trying to gain said position? That's the real crux of your problem, methinks.

Not only do I not experience that now, I didn't experience it in college, either. Sure, there were people who saw casual sex as the greatest achievement ever...but I wasn't interested in hanging around those people, and didn't especially care what they thought about my "status." There were just as many people, if not more, who insisted that NOT having casual sex was what made you a better person, and I also didn't give a shit what those people thought.

Stop hanging around with people who think your sex life is the most important of your achievements. Stop trying to gain "status" in the eyes of people with silly values. You'll be much happier.


I've already said that many of my friends are in committed relationships. I'm single but looking to start one after recently breaking up with my last girlfriend. I don't look up to fratboys, even though 60% of the student body is involved in Greek life where I am. And I pay for that with not being part of the school mainstream.

There was something of a sex-crazed thing in my high school in Brooklyn, too, but honestly, starting a relationship was a lot less difficult for me because back then, women weren't trying to directly compete with you sexually, academically, professionally, or otherwise nearly as much. I want a woman with a career of her own, just as long as she doesn't use it to challenge me as a person and tries to form a constructive partnership.
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Postby Bottle » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:34 am

East Williamsburg wrote:I want a woman with a career of her own, just as long as she doesn't use it to challenge me as a person

On behalf of women everywhere, please go gay.
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Postby Bottle » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:36 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:Oh god forbid a women wouldn't want to sleep with you.

I can't possibly imagine why.

I love the guys who insist that women don't want sex as much as them, when the reality is that women don't want sex WITH them.

Easy mistake to make, I guess, if you're so entitled that you seethe with resentment at the fact that female people dare to reject your mighty sperm.
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Postby East Williamsburg » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:38 am

What's so wrong with what I said?
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Postby Forster Keys » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:41 am

Bottle wrote:
East Williamsburg wrote:Why is this taking place?

Because men are now reduced to sex objects. The only way to attain a high socio-sexual position is through the sexual approval of women, rather than fulfilling the role of a husband, pleasing just one woman, and gaining said approval from both genders.

edit: I must add, if you predominantly try to gain the approval of men while remaining monogamous or single, you're seen as weak, impotent, and possibly gay. The only affection a man is allowed to express is towards a woman, in a sexual manner.

Gotta echo the others who have already said: you need a new crowd. When you say "attain a high socio-sexual position," with whom are you trying to gain said position? That's the real crux of your problem, methinks.

Not only do I not experience that now, I didn't experience it in college, either. Sure, there were people who saw casual sex as the greatest achievement ever...but I wasn't interested in hanging around those people, and didn't especially care what they thought about my "status." There were just as many people, if not more, who insisted that NOT having casual sex was what made you a better person, and I also didn't give a shit what those people thought.

Stop hanging around with people who think your sex life is the most important of your achievements. Stop trying to gain "status" in the eyes of people with silly values. You'll be much happier.


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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:42 am

East Williamsburg wrote:What's so wrong with what I said?

Go back and read what you said again. Hint: Start after "just as long as...."
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Postby Forster Keys » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:43 am

East Williamsburg wrote:Which is why I said that men have been reduced to sexual objects.


When haven't people been objectified through sex?

Men are encouraged to sleep around in college but get less personal respect for it.


Are American colleges really that different from Australian universities? Must gender based generalisations be made constantly?
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