9 Trillion Dollar Debt = Compulsory Tax Burden + IncomeTax

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

The FDA's incentive is to be really fucking slow. A lot of drugs are available elsewhere that are not FDA approved here. They are effective and perfectly safe, yet the FDA hasn't gotten around to testing them.

Suppose, I am some dude at the FDA that decides to approve or not medication. If I approve this drug too quickly, and it turns out to be a bad one, and a large number of people are allergic to it, with lethal consequences, and 500 people die as a result of it, shit, I am hauled in front of Congress for testimony, ridiculed by the media and probably out of a job.

On the other hand, a new experimental drug comes out in.... France. I am going to let the French be the guinea pigs. The drug turns out to be a major success. It treats a terminal disease of your choice. Unfortunately, by the time I get around to approving this drug 50,000 Americans died of this disease because they did not have access to this drug. No sweat of my back. None of this shit was reported, no congressional testimony. All we know is that we now have access to this wonderful drug. Never mind that the French have had it for 10 years.

That is more harm than good.

http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/d ... _too_fast/

[Almagarde]

Plan of action

-organize militia
-march on congress
-shoot all elected folks on sight
-cut overseas spending to zero
-pass legislation forbidding bail-outs forever
-deploy army on us-mexican border
-detain and deport all those trying to cross border

Are you sure you can keep US citizens out of Mexico? I think with 60% fleeing to Canada...you are really at the wrong Border.

[Ordo Mallus]

I FOUND THE SOLUTION! lets NOT spend money we don't have.

[Yootopia]

I FOUND THE SOLUTION! lets NOT spend money we don't have.

If your 'solution' was used by all, we wouldn't have banks at all in the first place.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

I FOUND THE SOLUTION! lets NOT spend money we don't have.

If your 'solution' was used by all, we wouldn't have banks at all in the first place.

We could have equity shares instead. United States of Goldman Sachs.

[SF Penguins]

Ex-Nation has a point, When are going to say no to all the Frikin taxes and as far as Representation well do you think that alot of those officals in Washington are Really worried about you and I, no, Cause obviously they can get reelected without doing what we want them to. And as far as declaring bankruptcy, there is no other choice but to do so, look up LaRouchePac, listen to what he has to say and quite frankly, he's the only one who has a plan that will actually work.

[Yootopia]

Ex-Nation has a point, When are going to say no to all the Frikin taxes and as far as Representation well do you think that alot of those officals in Washington are Really worried about you and I, no, Cause obviously they can get reelected without doing what we want them to. And as far as declaring bankruptcy, there is no other choice but to do so, look up LaRouchePac, listen to what he has to say and quite frankly, he's the only one who has a plan that will actually work.

America's GDP is about 14.4 trillion dollars. Until your debt gets so out of hand that it's significantly above GDP, you don't really need to worry - it can and will be able to be paid off.

[Treznor]

I FOUND THE SOLUTION! lets NOT spend money we don't have.

That's a radical solution! Now if we can just go back in time about thirty years and stop the deficit spending cycle before it started, we'll have solved all our problems!

Seriously, we need to use that money to re-invest in the nation, not pour more of it into military adventurism. Since we have a Centrist administration we'll do both. I suppose it's a small improvement from the previous administration that was creating record debt purely for military adventurism.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Ex-Nation has a point, When are going to say no to all the Frikin taxes and as far as Representation well do you think that alot of those officals in Washington are Really worried about you and I, no, Cause obviously they can get reelected without doing what we want them to. And as far as declaring bankruptcy, there is no other choice but to do so, look up LaRouchePac, listen to what he has to say and quite frankly, he's the only one who has a plan that will actually work.

The LaRouche people are crazier than Glenn Beck himself. from wiki

In 2009, during discussion of U.S. health care reform, LaRouche said he supported a single-payer health care policy, as opposed to the plan proposed by President Barack Obama. LaRouche compared Obama to Adolf Hitler, and the proposed health-insurance reform to Hitler's Action T4 euthanasia program.[146] He said Americans must "quickly and suddenly change the behavior of this president ... for no lesser reason than that your sister might not end up in somebody's gas oven."[147] The movement printed pamphlets showing Obama and Hitler laughing together, and posters of Obama wearing a Hitler-style mustache.[148] In Seattle, police were called twice in response to people threatening to tear the posters apart, or to assault the LaRouche supporters holding them.[149] During one widely reported public meeting, Congressman Barney Frank referred to the posters as "vile, contemptible nonsense."[150]

Sometimes they hang around on my campus trying to recruit people into their cult.

[SF Penguins]

How do you plan to pay off a debt that is Trillions of dollars when we keep printing money. Look what happened in 1920s Germany, hyperinflation. Thats what we are heading for is hyperinflation because are money has nothing backing it, do think that China is going to keep loaning us money, no, we can't pay this debt off cause it'd by like putting duck tape on a whole in a boat when it needs to be trashed, It ends up sinking and being thrown away anyway. We need a new system based on The Constituiton.

[SF Penguins]

Ya LaRouche is part of cult let me tell ya, If Thats the truth, than why is he perhaps the most respected economist in the world, Tell me that you frikin Dumb Shit. Have you ever once listend to what he has to say, do that, then tell me he's crazy.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Ya LaRouche is part of cult let me tell ya, If Thats the truth, than why is he perhaps the most respected economist in the world,

Respected by whom? You? Your friends?

Tell me that you frikin Dumb Shit. Have you ever once listend to what he has to say, do that, then tell me he's crazy.

I have. And I can tell you. He's crazy.

[Yootopia]

How do you plan to pay off a debt that is Trillions of dollars when we keep printing money. Look what happened in 1920s Germany, hyperinflation. Thats what we are heading for is hyperinflation because are money has nothing backing it, do think that China is going to keep loaning us money, no, we can't pay this debt off cause it'd by like putting duck tape on a whole in a boat when it needs to be trashed, It ends up sinking and being thrown away anyway. We need a new system based on The Constituiton.

We've had fiat currencies for a relatively long time and have yet to experience hyperinflation in most of the developed economies. To pay off the debt I would suggest you largely scrap private healthcare, seeing as you chaps already pay too much for it, and have a minor rise in taxes, which will mean that employers and employees alike are paying less overall towards healthcare but getting an equal level of service and are funding your treasury slightly more.

I would also gradually cut military spending (rapid cuts are never a good idea because laying half of the armed forces off is bound to create anger in those who still have the power to bomb your country Quite A Lot) and use the savings there to help pay off the national debt.

As to anyone advocating manufacturing - don't be ridiculous, manufacturing in the developed economies has absolutely tanked due to goods of a similar quality being able to be produced anywhere else in the world, and for less money. Manufacturing, as with mining and other such labour-intensive industries, also has much more powerful and militant unions than the service industry, which is where the real money lies.

[SF Penguins]

How is He Crazy Tell me Why he is Crazy.

[SF Penguins]

Ya thats what we need to do is stop manufacturing, then we're totally reliant on other countries. The key to every single economy in the world should be Manufacturing and Agriculture. We need to develop our nuclear energy, if we did that we could be creating countless jobs through the devolopement of new technology. And If we don't step up our food producing capabilities we are in serious trouble cause we are already in a world wide food shortage.

[Yootopia]

Ya thats what we need to do is stop manufacturing, then we're totally reliant on other countries. The key to every single economy in the world should be Manufacturing and Agriculture.

There is only one economy in the world. We have other people to do our manufacturing, and while I agree that we should be self-sufficient in terms of food, until a large-scale conflict breaks out cutting off foreign food supplies, we're going to be pretty safe.

We need to develop our nuclear energy, if we did that we could be creating countless jobs through the devolopement of new technology.

I don't really see how.

And If we don't step up our food producing capabilities we are in serious trouble cause we are already in a world wide food shortage.

We don't have a world-wide food shortage, we have several regional food transport deficiencies.

[SF Penguins]

How would devoloping our nuclear technology not produce jobs, do you have any idea how much we could learn and think about with nuclear power plants you can produce fresh drinking water, develope high speed mag-lev trains using the energy, and the railroad is how we will unite the planet, did you know there are plans for a railway to through the bearing staight which would unite the U.S. And Russia. And why do you want to export jobs for someone else when your own country could use those jobs.

[Yootopia]

How would devoloping our nuclear technology not produce jobs

I'm not saying that it wouldn't produce jobs at all, but I couldn't foresee the development of that many jobs due to nuclear power.

do you have any idea how much we could learn and think about

Not really.

with nuclear power plants you can produce fresh drinking water

Do you not have sewage works and treatment plants in the US or something?

develope high speed mag-lev trains using the energy, and the railroad is how we will unite the planet

The railways, especially for something for so complex as a maglev network, are pretty high-maintainance when we already have thousands of perfectly serviceable planes cutting about the place, which go faster than any train at ground-level plausibly could.

did you know there are plans for a railway to through the bearing staight which would unite the U.S. And Russia.

I'm sure there are... still yet to really see the point of this.

And why do you want to export jobs for someone else when your own country could use those jobs.

Because they're shitty jobs that the workers clearly realise are below them, or they wouldn't strike so much or ask for such unreasonable workplace benefits.

[DaWoad]

Ya thats what we need to do is stop manufacturing, then we're totally reliant on other countries. The key to every single economy in the world should be Manufacturing and Agriculture. We need to develop our nuclear energy, if we did that we could be creating countless jobs through the devolopement of new technology. And If we don't step up our food producing capabilities we are in serious trouble cause we are already in a world wide food shortage.

1)Wait wait wait. . .so your solution to unemployment is . . .cut manufacturing jobs? wow . . .genius . . .
2)ahhh yes if we all just work harder we could easily produce more food right! ignore the fact that there is a finite amount of usable land for agriculture and that farming is hard work that requires alot of experience/training and a certain amount of pure luck . . .no no no the Zimbabwe plan works just fiiiine http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25383
3)Nuclear energy costs more to build and run than you get out and the end of the process. Don't believe me? http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file31938.pdf

so basically under your plan the states goes into mass recession, loses all its fertile land when inexperienced people are forced to farm primarily infertile land then blows whats left of its funds on building powerplans it can't afford to run . . . .well done.

[Yootopia]

3)Nuclear energy costs more to build and run than you get out and the end of the process. Don't believe me? http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file31938.pdf

The decommissioning of old sites is also a Mega Arsehole to deal with.

[DaWoad]

How would devoloping our nuclear technology not produce jobs, do you have any idea how much we could learn and think about with nuclear power plants you can produce fresh drinking water, develope high speed mag-lev trains using the energy, and the railroad is how we will unite the planet, did you know there are plans for a railway to through the bearing staight which would unite the U.S. And Russia. And why do you want to export jobs for someone else when your own country could use those jobs.

*facepalm*
1)there is no current maglev rail anywhere except for the prototype (which,btw, just had a major setback when 40ish people were killed in a collision with a maintenance vehicle)
2)the only, current, maglev project is for china to connect two cities less than 100km apart.
3)the bearing straight. . .do you have any idea how hard it would be to creat a stable rail-line of anykind across the bearing straight? and even if you did, what then? Yay! you connected alaska with the least populated section of russia! Well done! Only the most effective way to move goods to russia would still be by sea . . .infact that line would be near useless.
4)nuclear energy is a finite resource and an expensive on at that. Until someone worksout a usable fusion plant Nuclear energy isn't going to be an effecient/effective option.
5)noone "exports" jobs but some jobs can be done better and cheaper elsewhere and in a freemarket economy (or freemarketish jobs go to the places best suited to do them)

[DaWoad]

3)Nuclear energy costs more to build and run than you get out and the end of the process. Don't believe me? http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file31938.pdf

The decommissioning of old sites is also a Mega Arsehole to deal with.

lol no kidding . . .I think the contingency plan at the moment is "cover it with concrete and hope it works!"

[DaWoad]

How do you plan to pay off a debt that is Trillions of dollars when we keep printing money. Look what happened in 1920s Germany, hyperinflation. Thats what we are heading for is hyperinflation because are money has nothing backing it, do think that China is going to keep loaning us money, no, we can't pay this debt off cause it'd by like putting duck tape on a whole in a boat when it needs to be trashed, It ends up sinking and being thrown away anyway. We need a new system based on The Constituiton.

. . .Germany was being forced to pay of a debt that it couldn't afford on a regular (and unatainable) basis. Guess how they broke the cycle? created more jobs using government funds (admitedly millitary oriented jobs but still . . .. ). The states did the same thing. Canada didn't and our recession lasted considerably longer (though we were at a lower starting point so it was less noticible)

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

How is He Crazy Tell me Why he is Crazy.

Again, from wiki

LaRouche has also argued that Adolf Hitler was brought to power by the British; Menachem Begin's "policies are indistinguishable... from Nazi policies";[107] The Beatles were "a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications;[108][109] and that rogue elements within the American military took part in, or planned, the September 11, 2001 attacks as part of a coup d'état.[110][111]

In "An Open Letter to President Brezhnev" (June 2, 1981) LaRouche identified those pushing the world toward war as "the forces behind the World Wildlife Fund, the Club of Rome, and the heritage of H. G. Wells and the evil Bertrand Russell."[112]

LaRouche's organization opposed the Obama administration's health care reform proposals, and its comparisons of U.S. President Barack Obama to German dictator Adolf Hitler in 2009 generated controversy. LaRouche called Obama's actions "impeachable," without actually calling for impeachment, due to his support of health insurance reform that LaRouche says is comparable to Hitler's Action T4 euthanasia program.[147] The LaRouche movement has printed pamphlets with a picture on the front showing Obama and Hitler laughing together, and have made posters of Obama wearing a Hitler-style mustache.[148] In Seattle, police have been called twice in response to people who were offended by the posters threatening to tear them apart or to assault the LaRouche supporters holding them.[149]

As town hall meetings on this issue during the summer of 2009 began to attract very large and angry crowds, the comparison of Obama to Hitler began to show up on many signs and banners. The Atlantic wrote that LaRouche supporters "patented the Obama-is-Nazi theme."[150] The Anti-Defamation League issued a report titled, "Lyndon LaRouche, Holocaust Imagery & the Health Care Debate".[151]

Nancy Spannaus, a LaRouche spokeswoman, told the Washington Times that the Obama policy was "a direct copy of the policy Hitler declared in October 1939, when Hitler issued the order for euthanasia against those determined, by a board of medical experts, to have 'lives unworthy to be lived.'" She said that the LaRouche alternative was to "cancel the bailout and HMOs, implement bankruptcy reorganization of the financial system, and return to the Hill-Burton system that made our health care the best in the world."[152]

[Ordo Mallus]

Since we have a Centrist administration we'll do both.

just pointing this out, USA government currently is definantly not centrist, if you think so then you really need to get back up to date, a blind man can even see this.

edit: fail quote lol