
by Robustian » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:44 pm

by Jocabia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:02 am

by Barringtonia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:43 am
Jocabia wrote:All true. Of course, it's all true because you made it up, but that's how making things up works.
What happens if we propose the same scenarios, but I posit different numbers. Since we're just making shit up, I propose that wealth production increases. That totally changes the numbers.
I similarly propose that the business I run, that I've been running for the last three years (all during a lazy economy) is currently growing. Because of the stimulus, we've gotten more work. As such, we've spent more and hired. We won't use Obamacare, because it would cost us more, which is totally the point. Our taxes have gone up, as they should (most of us make more than 100K a year), but then we've also benefitted from people being able to continue to hire us, which was a VERY real concern a year ago when it looked like just about every state was going to have to freeze spending.
See, that's the thing about posing scenarios, they work because you make them work. The only problem is that mine is not theoretical. I'm making more money because of the stimulus. We aren't having trouble borrowing. We aren't having more trouble finding work than we were last year. And it's real work that needed to be done to keep the nation's infrastructure strong. My world is better. The world of my employees is better. The world of those we pay for flying us to sites, driving us to airports, feeding us at restaurants and putting us up in hotels is better. And that passes on. That's real work. That's real wealth generation. And it's all driven by the second stimulus that is allowing states to continue infrastructure projects knowing there is more money left in the coffers.

by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:47 am
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.

by Almagarde » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:48 am

by Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:10 am


by Greed and Death » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:31 am
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Clearly the stimulus is working just fine because I have a muffin. *shows muffin* If the stimulus weren't working, then clearly I wouldn't have a muffin. Check and mate.
*eats muffin*

by Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:32 am


by Greed and Death » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:33 am

by Lunatic Goofballs » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:34 am


by Vittos Ordination » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:37 am
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Clearly the stimulus is working just fine because I have a muffin. *shows muffin* If the stimulus weren't working, then clearly I wouldn't have a muffin. Check and mate.
*eats muffin*

by Little Jim P » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:38 am

by Greed and Death » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:40 am

by Barringtonia » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:40 am


by NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:23 am
Almagarde wrote:I'm not sure you quite get where Obama is going. The Stimulus isnt just a few trillion dollars paid over this last year. Over the next 20 years it will be a 9 trillion loan from china that will bankrupt the USA and force it into liquidation. His plan is an economic act of terrorism the instant it fails. It will fail because it requires the commitment of US Governments for the next hundred years to the process.
If anything he has prevented the USA and China from Going to the Moon and slowed their economies to a crawl.
You-Gi-Owe wrote:I hate all "spin doctoring". I don't mind honest disagreement and it's possible that people are expressing honest opinions, but spin doctoring is so pervasive, I gotta ask if I suspect it.

by Conserative Morality » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:26 am
Almagarde wrote:If anything he has prevented the USA and China from Going to the Moon and slowed their economies to a crawl.


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