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Chance of CA gov's "I F*** you" message being a coincidence?

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Was it a coincidence?

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Neu California
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Chance of CA gov's "I F*** you" message being a coincidence?

Postby Neu California » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:00 pm

1 in 2 billion

SF Weekly blog wrote:In examining Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger's letter to the California State Assembly in which the letters I F-U-C-K Y-O-U appear vertically down the left-hand side, it is hard to imagine that it could have happened randomly.

The letter purportedly explains Schwarzenegger's refusal to sign AB 1176 -- an ordinary piece of legislation regarding the Port of San Francisco's finances -- which happened to be sponsored by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, who recently told the governator to "kiss my gay ass." Motive? Check.

In all seriousness, we wondered what the chances were that the letters "I FUCK YOU" ended up on the page via sheer coincidence. So we called a few math professors.


Stephen Devlin, the chair of the math department at the University of San Francisco, got excited about the challenge. The first thing he had to do was estimate how frequently the letters in question generally appear at the beginning of words.



"I was very friendly to our governor, here," Devlin said. He assumed that F, U, C, K, Y, O, and U start words about 10 percent of the time, when really some of them probably only appear at the beginning 2 or 3 percent of the time.

Next, Devlin calculated the chances that each of those letters would appear in order at the beginning of seven lines of the same missive by raising 10 percent to the seventh power. That comes out to one in 10 million. (Devin felt that starting a letter with I was very common, so didn't factor it into his calculations. If he had, the chance of a random I FUCK YOU would have been one in 100 million).

"Not surprisingly, it's virtually impossible for this to happen," Devlin said.

He didn't think it was necessary to consider the well-placed blank lines in-between the I and FUCK and the FUCK and YOU. We, however, thought that called for more calculations.

Gregory McColm, associate professor of mathematics at the University of South Florida, was willing to go there. "Oh good heavens," he said, upon viewing the letter in question. Then he mentioned something about Edgar Allan Poe's "The Gold-Bug" and the frequency of letters, and eventually came up with same initial calculations as Devlin.

McColm, however, opted to include the "I" and go with one in 100 million. Then he did some fast figuring using something called "combinatorics" to account for the fact that the blank lines showed up in the right places to space out I FUCK YOU. McColm's ballpark figure of all this randomly occurring came out to one in 2 billion.

So you're saying there's a chance?
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So does NSG think it was a coincidence, or did the governator give an unexpected "I fuck you" to the legislature?
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Postby Wutaco » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:08 pm

How cute, you rigged this from Colbert Report. Pretty funny though.
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Postby Barringtonia » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:11 pm

Okay, I got this email a week ago or so and still have the question - is it genuine?
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Postby Neu California » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:12 pm

Wutaco wrote:How cute, you rigged this from Colbert Report. Pretty funny though.

I rmembered about it after hearing it on the Report, yes. What's your point?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:13 pm

Its possible. But does it matter, if I was told to kiss someone's ass, telling them to suck it or what have you would be called for.
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Postby Neu California » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:14 pm

Barringtonia wrote:Okay, I got this email a week ago or so and still have the question - is it genuine?

Far as I know, it is. Saw it on GMA (It was on when I woke up, and I was too lazy to change) and the Colbert Report, so I'm guessing it's legit
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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:18 pm

Only Arnold would do that.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:27 pm

Watch bible code.

These sorts of things are not nearly as rare as the mathematicians make them out to be.
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:30 pm

The question is, why do I care? From what Ive heard California's done nothing but thwart Schwarzenegger's attempts to pull it out of the hole it created...

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:31 pm

what an interesting waste of time.

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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:37 pm

How very left-coast.
Everyone knows CA faces economic troubles.

Is it too much to expect politicians to treat issues with some gravity?
Serious problems demand serious responses.

Crisis is upon us.
On the other hand this is at least amusing.
Our best response to crisis may be to lighten up.
Laugh it off.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:38 pm

greed and death wrote:Watch bible code.

These sorts of things are not nearly as rare as the mathematicians make them out to be.


but all those phrases were intentional in the bible, just like this.
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Postby Neu California » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:45 pm

Maurepas wrote:The question is, why do I care? From what Ive heard California's done nothing but thwart Schwarzenegger's attempts to pull it out of the hole it created... establish some sort of legacy regardless of how much he screws California over

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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:46 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:Watch bible code.

These sorts of things are not nearly as rare as the mathematicians make them out to be.


but all those phrases were intentional in the bible, just like this.

And the ones in moby dick the team sent to refute the bible code found ?
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Postby Soratsin » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:47 pm

First I think that this sort of thing happens quite often, just by random chance and statisticians highly
underrate the odds of acrostics occuring in random pieces of type, I've personally seen many images,
copyrighted, unfortunately on the internet that display this sort of thing in memos, letters, books etc.
Kabbalism and other occult/religious doctrines have long studied random permutations in holy texts.

Normally, one doesn't see this sort of thing in a piece so short, though, so you have to wonder if there's serious motive for the author to write vulgar things in acrostics and send it to them, so I wouldn't be generally surprised if Ahnold wrote this intentionally.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:48 pm

greed and death wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
greed and death wrote:Watch bible code.

These sorts of things are not nearly as rare as the mathematicians make them out to be.


but all those phrases were intentional in the bible, just like this.

And the ones in moby dick the team sent to refute the bible code found ?


Just as sooper cerial and fer real like me. :p
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Postby Nadkor » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:48 pm

It all sounds a bit James May.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:56 pm

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:03 pm

Nadkor wrote:It all sounds a bit James May.

wow it's a laugh a minute with him eh?

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Postby NERVUN » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:11 am

Eh... Could be. Stranger things have happened and given the Govenator... if he wanted to say it, I assume he would have done so to his face while playing with that big knife of his.
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Postby The Movie of the Book » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:18 am

Don't all his vetos start with "I am returning X"?

If true, shouldn't we disregard the "I"?

I mean, it turns it into "Fuck You," which is much classier.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:32 am

Soratsin wrote:First I think that this sort of thing happens quite often, just by random chance and statisticians highly
underrate the odds of acrostics occuring in random pieces of type, I've personally seen many images,
copyrighted, unfortunately on the internet that display this sort of thing in memos, letters, books etc.
Kabbalism and other occult/religious doctrines have long studied random permutations in holy texts.

Normally, one doesn't see this sort of thing in a piece so short, though, so you have to wonder if there's serious motive for the author to write vulgar things in acrostics and send it to them, so I wouldn't be generally surprised if Ahnold wrote this intentionally.

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Postby Cabra West » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:52 am

Neu California wrote:1 in 2 billion



Very classy, Schwarzy, very classy

So does NSG think it was a coincidence, or did the governator give an unexpected "I fuck you" to the legislature?


Er... who cares about politicians being childish?
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Postby Cameroi » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:57 am

i think, if it is true, i mean, coming from the pseudo-conservative mentality that has over and over demonstrated its complete lack of "class", let alone conscience, i can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would be surprised.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:29 am

I think the California legislature passing a 10% income tax increase in order to "balance the budget" with the alleged intent of giving it back (most likely in the form of "We're sorry, we're out of money so we're gonna give you an IOU"s) is a much more clear and concise "Fuck you" to anyone than this message.

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