Handgun ban

[Sibirsky]

Civilians should be allowed to own handguns. But you can't have say... 15 rounds in your clip. I think it's a bit ridiculous having those many rounds.

But 14 is ok!

15, too many.

14, ok!

Because???????

[Sibirsky]

Why?

Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.

NONE OF THAT SHIT MATTERS. How fucking long do you think, it takes to switch out a clip, as everyone else is panicked, unarmed, and possibly hurt?

[Geo]

Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.

NONE OF THAT SHIT MATTERS. How fucking long do you think, it takes to switch out a clip, as everyone else is panicked, unarmed, and possibly hurt?

Irrelevant, because state intervention and monopoly over violence.

[Sociobiology]

so your lazy therefore your right?
and you don't understand logic do you, because all you have to think of to prove me wrong is ONE alternative that is better.

Is seriousness that obligatory here? The brain cell thing = bad joke.

1. no monopoly on violence,
see the culture of honor, anocracy, and tribalism

2. some other group with a monopoly on violence.
see theocracy and junta

As an egoist, I see number one as the most desirable alternative of the three, although I don't especially care why couldn't it be number 2 or just the government, since both can be abused egoistically as well from our side as they are abused from the opposite side.

but no actual evidence, such as lower violence rates or more pluralism, as to why one would be preferable. Because it turns out things like standard of living, violence rates, and personal freedom are highest in representative democratic states, and higher in states in general than any other form of society.
Its good to see you don't let facts get in the way of preconceived notions.

[Geo]

Is seriousness that obligatory here? The brain cell thing = bad joke.

As an egoist, I see number one as the most desirable alternative of the three, although I don't especially care why couldn't it be number 2 or just the government, since both can be abused egoistically as well from our side as they are abused from the opposite side.

but no actual evidence, such as lower violence rates or more pluralism, as to why one would be preferable. Because it turns out things like standard of living, violence rates, and personal freedom are highest in representative democratic states, and higher in states in general than any other form of society.
Its good to see you don't let facts get in the way of preconceived notions.

Meh, I tend to look at an alternative that best suits myself. You know? As an egoist?

[Sociobiology]

but no actual evidence, such as lower violence rates or more pluralism, as to why one would be preferable. Because it turns out things like standard of living, violence rates, and personal freedom are highest in representative democratic states, and higher in states in general than any other form of society.
Its good to see you don't let facts get in the way of preconceived notions.

Meh, I tend to look at an alternative that best suits myself. You know? As an egoist?

and you think a society were you are more likely to be killed, maimed, starve, and have less freedom is better for you??

[Geo]

Meh, I tend to look at an alternative that best suits myself. You know? As an egoist?

and you think a society were you are more likely to be killed, maimed, starve, and have less freedom is better for you??

Better for my liberties, yeah. Better for my life? Maybe not so much. Also, I make my liberties with my might by taking responsibility of my actions, coming and going. And I can create that might out of weaponry, money and my body, as in strength, speed, stealth and so on.

[Sibirsky]

NONE OF THAT SHIT MATTERS. How fucking long do you think, it takes to switch out a clip, as everyone else is panicked, unarmed, and possibly hurt?

Irrelevant, because state intervention and monopoly over violence.

What are you talking about?

[Sociobiology]

and you think a society were you are more likely to be killed, maimed, starve, and have less freedom is better for you??

Better for my liberties, yeah. Better for my life? Maybe not so much. Also, I make my liberties with my might by taking responsibility of my actions, coming and going. And I can create that might out of weaponry, money and my body, as in strength, speed, stealth and so on.

you do realize you would have less liberty in all of those other societies right.
you can never be stronger than the rest of society, and many of those societies would not let you amass wealth, and the ones that do reserve the right to take it from you. so you are still picking scenarios were you are worse off.

[Geo]

Irrelevant, because state intervention and monopoly over violence.

What are you talking about?

Something that is going on right now. The leftists advocating steps towards a society with a state monopoly over violence. And as you noticed yourself, with the best arguments for it as can ever be.

[Sibirsky]

What are you talking about?

Something that is going on right now. The leftists advocating steps towards a society with a state monopoly over violence. And as you noticed yourself, with the best arguments for it as can ever be.

The arguments don't make sense.

But now, your post makes sense. Thanks.

[Geo]

Better for my liberties, yeah. Better for my life? Maybe not so much. Also, I make my liberties with my might by taking responsibility of my actions, coming and going. And I can create that might out of weaponry, money and my body, as in strength, speed, stealth and so on.

you do realize you would have less liberty in all of those other societies right.
you can never be stronger than the rest of society, and many of those societies would not let you amass wealth, and the ones that do reserve the right to take it from you. so you are still picking scenarios were you are worse off.

Might is right, my fiend. And I will not repeat what I just said. I make my own liberties, rights, whatever you want to call them.
That's why I advocate an egoist anarchy where the society would be so split it couldn't take me out directly. The rest of the society, that is, everyone else than me would only be out for themselves, not unifying against one or two individuals just like me.

[Geo]

Something that is going on right now. The leftists advocating steps towards a society with a state monopoly over violence. And as you noticed yourself, with the best arguments for it as can ever be.

The arguments don't make sense.

But now, your post makes sense. Thanks.

Sorry for being unclear back there.

[Sociobiology]

you do realize you would have less liberty in all of those other societies right.
you can never be stronger than the rest of society, and many of those societies would not let you amass wealth, and the ones that do reserve the right to take it from you. so you are still picking scenarios were you are worse off.

Might is right, my fiend. And I will not repeat what I just said. I make my own liberties, rights, whatever you want to call them.

no you don't they are granted to you by the rest of society.

That's why I advocate an egoist anarchy where the society would be so split it couldn't take me out directly. The rest of the society, that is, everyone else than me would only be out for themselves, not unifying against one or two individuals just like me.

so such society has ever nor can ever exist with humans.

[Sibirsky]

The arguments don't make sense.

But now, your post makes sense. Thanks.

Sorry for being unclear back there.

It's all good.

[Geo]

Might is right, my fiend. And I will not repeat what I just said. I make my own liberties, rights, whatever you want to call them.

no you don't they are granted to you by the rest of society.

Same difference when everyone would be fending for themselves. When I don't threaten their life and liberty, they won't be threatening mine.

That's why I advocate an egoist anarchy where the society would be so split it couldn't take me out directly. The rest of the society, that is, everyone else than me would only be out for themselves, not unifying against one or two individuals just like me.

so such society has ever nor can ever exist with humans.

We would be debating anarchy if I further pressed on this point, and there is (probably) a thread for that. I'm not sure.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

A handgun ban has already been shown not to do anything in Britain but clearly its going to be different if its banned in America according to the government.

[Sociobiology]

no you don't they are granted to you by the rest of society.

Same difference when everyone would be fending for themselves. When I don't threaten their life and liberty, they won't be threatening mine.

Oh would life be nice if that were true, if people acted rationally all the time.
but really though the rational action will lead you to commit and receive violence. Because without a state enforcing laws you have to present yourself a threat to prevent exploitation, and unfortunately you also have to carry through with said threats for them to credible.
again read the culture of honor, we know how people behave in these circumstances.

[Judeochrist]

[Gun Manufacturers]

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You're comparing people to toast? Because that's just stupid. One is a living being, the other is charred bread.

BTW, toasters don't toast toast, they toast bread.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Toasters don't toast toast. People toast bread.... with toaster. Or toaster ovens. Sometimes I make toasted cheese sandwiches in a skillet.

Also, I frequently make pop tarts; especially the cookie dough ones. They rock. But If my toaster starts making them all on it's own, then I think it's time to move to Tristan da Cunha before the 'Maximum Overdrive' scenario begins.

[Occupied Deutschland]

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Wow. Usually memes are at least mildly amusing. These are just...contradictory.

Okay, y'know what, that's mean. Let me just give them the benefit of the doubt.
*Goes away and checks guns*
Okay, nevermind, this is stupid. There are no dead bodies around my guns. In fact, they all seem to be as clean as the day I last cleaned them. There was a little too much oil on one of my revolvers, but no dead people. Funny that.

[OfficeMax]

Civilians should be allowed to own any guns as they please. Remember kids: guns DO NOT kill people.

This.

[Sibirsky]

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Wow. Usually memes are at least mildly amusing. These are just...contradictory.

Okay, y'know what, that's mean. Let me just give them the benefit of the doubt.
*Goes away and checks guns*
Okay, nevermind, this is stupid. There are no dead bodies around my guns. In fact, they all seem to be as clean as the day I last cleaned them. There was a little too much oil on one of my revolvers, but no dead people. Funny that.

Evidence?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

1.no guns = tens of thousand of people out of a job

2.no guns = billions of dollars in the idustry going no where

1. + 2. = 3.

3.no guns = complete economic stagnation resulting in another depression

Also: criminals still not obeying the law. Only criminals have guns... and police cannot get everywhere... meaning actually more crime than before.

Actually, crime goes down during depressions (aside from suicides) since there isn't anything worth stealing.

The mob-scene was actually during the roaring-twenties, spurned as a counter-culture to extensive regulation, essentially giving the feds the middle-finger by many court-cases for alcohol-possession being nullified by jury.

Because it's ridiculous having those many rounds in just one clip. You could injure 15 people with a clip that size. You could probably kill 5 people with it, or kill 7 people with it.

Edit: After doing some math I believe 20 round clips should be banned.

NONE OF THAT SHIT MATTERS. How fucking long do you think, it takes to switch out a clip, as everyone else is panicked, unarmed, and possibly hurt?

Either bystander response is going to be so fast that it won't even matter if they've got a round in the chamber (0.75 seconds) or so slow that a gunman can unload thirty rounds into the room regardless of magazine-size.

The only exception is a malfunction, and those don't happen much at all. Waiting for a weapon-malfunction is going to be like waiting for a bank-vault door to fall off its hinges right before robbing the bank.